Predict the electoral vote of the US Presidential Election

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no way it'll be that close. It'll be pretty dramatic for one side or the other, and all of November will be filled with shenanigans & bullshit.

Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Friday, 15 October 2004 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

no, I'm starting to think it's possible - Kerry takes NH and OH, loses WI. the House would select Bush.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 15 October 2004 15:31 (nineteen years ago) link

*weeps*

Smokin' funk by the boxes (kenan), Friday, 15 October 2004 15:32 (nineteen years ago) link

no wait, Kerry has to lose NM to do that - I don't recall any realistic 269-269 outcomes

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 15 October 2004 15:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Gore states, NH and NV get you there. Possible, but I just don't see it.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 15 October 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

again, it ain't gunna be that close. polling ignores folks with cell phones.

Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Friday, 15 October 2004 15:37 (nineteen years ago) link

That sounds like uncounted Bush support to me.

briania (briania), Friday, 15 October 2004 15:48 (nineteen years ago) link

uhhhhhhh, no. people in urban areas have cell phones as only phone

sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Friday, 15 October 2004 15:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Allegedly more fun from Karl.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 15 October 2004 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

where's that map that predicts the electoral votes based on the polls? ned, help.

battlin' green eyeshades (Homosexual II), Friday, 15 October 2004 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

...and most younger folks have cell phones as only phone.

now, if we can bring in all several hundred thousand newly-registered voters, there we go...

Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Friday, 15 October 2004 16:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Alas, Mandee, I know not where this map is. :-(

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 15 October 2004 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link

go here

Emilymv (Emilymv), Friday, 15 October 2004 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link

as a younger folk, i must say i do have a landline... that i never, ever answer.

battlin' green eyeshades (Homosexual II), Friday, 15 October 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not going to calculate electoral votes, but I do think Kerry will take this one. Add up a strong showing in all the debates, a ton of new voters, Bush's innate dislikability (new word!), and the fact that Gore was a much weaker candidate and still won the last election, and I think we have a new president on our hands.

Smokin' funk by the boxes (kenan), Friday, 15 October 2004 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I was thinking that Arkansas was strongly Bush. Every yard around here has a Bush/Cheney sign, and I live in one of the heavily Democratic parts of the state. The state Democratic party has said that they're concentrating a bit more on canvassing and getting favorable voters out to vote on November 2 than relying on yard signs. It makes sense, but I still have my doubts.

I have my doubts because the only other big race this year is our Senate race which Blanche has in the bag. There's a gay marriage proposal on the ballot that will attract Bushies to the polling place like flies to manure.

You never know, though.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 15 October 2004 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I think you can get a good sense of what's in play by looking at the advertising. It's concentrated in markets in 10 states - Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. But the key word here is "markets" - airwaves/circulation (and culture/populations) don't necessarily respect state boundaries, and so it's possible that this list is either too long or too short. This is my guess, by market-state, about where the impact might additionally/really be intended:

Iowa - Missouri
Michigan - Ohio, Wisconsin
Minnesota - Wisconsin, Iowa
Ohio - West Virginia
Nevada - Arizona
New Mexico - Colorado, Arizona
Pennsylvania - Ohio, West Virginia, New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 15 October 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think Oregon or Virginia will leave the Kerry or Bush camps, respectively, but it appears that there are under-the-radar campaigns for each. I wonder how many other clear or hazy swing states such things are happening in.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 15 October 2004 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

and, duh, Nevada - Oregon

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 15 October 2004 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Oregon? That's a collosal waste of time for Bush.

Smokin' funk by the boxes (kenan), Friday, 15 October 2004 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link

probably, but you can see how he'd think otherwise - lost by less than 7000 last time around

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 15 October 2004 17:07 (nineteen years ago) link

i live in missouri and sadly it will probably go to bush. too many people base it soely on religion.

seahorse genius (seahorse genius), Friday, 15 October 2004 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost

Only because of Nader!

Smokin' funk by the boxes (kenan), Friday, 15 October 2004 17:09 (nineteen years ago) link

There are several factors at play in Oregon that make it hard to call. You can't look for an exact replay of 2000. Too much has happened since Gore v. Bush.

In Kerry's favor, Nader will not be on the ballot and there are at least 20,000 more newly registered Democrats than Republicans. The economy here has been sh*t. Opposition to the Iraq War was more widespread and better organized in Oregon than many other states. This helps to energize Kerry's base far beyond what Gore could achieve.

In Bush's favor, there is a heavily-backed Chistian-right ballot measure to restrict gay marriage that might pump up the RR turnout. Plus, there will be an unknown number of terrorized voters who will feel more comfortable with a Repubi-Daddy to cling to during the middle of a war.

My gut feeling is that Kerry will take Oregon by between 2% and 3%.

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 15 October 2004 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The state Democratic party has said that they're concentrating a bit more on canvassing and getting favorable voters out to vote on November 2 than relying on yard signs

this is the thinking here in missouri too. in st. louis we can't keep signs in HQ because demand is so high.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 15 October 2004 18:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Whoever came up with those Bush/Cheney "Farm Team" signs in the green-and-yellow John Deere colors is a genuis. I hate that guy.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 15 October 2004 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link

The whole fact of yard signs, while sort of unavoidable, strikes me as creepy and coercive and undemocratic. In effect, not intention. There's something about it that always looks like the warm-up to a civil war.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 15 October 2004 18:21 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.jimholt.us/images/Holt%20Embossed.gif

The good news is that this guy doesn't have a shot in hell of winning.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 15 October 2004 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never in my life been so terrified by a fish!

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 15 October 2004 18:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Although to be fair I have to admit: if that was some secret stylized Ganesh snuck in there or something, I'd totally vote for whoever that was.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 15 October 2004 18:38 (nineteen years ago) link

the latest numbers in OR show that they have at least 50K registered around Portland.

Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Friday, 15 October 2004 18:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm pessimistic. I've always thought Bush will win, I haven't seen much to change my opinion.
-- Jonathan Z. (zin...), October 15th, 2004 8:27 AM.


I have to say that I've had this feeling more or less since they found Saddam. I'm not sure how this whole Mary Cheney thing will end up playing out. Something tells me the feigned outrage from the right will end up playing really really badly to the middleroad "undecided," though that "something" could just be my disgust for their disgust. Plus two-and-a-half weeks equals roughly 43,295 more pre-election "events" getting media attention.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 15 October 2004 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link

i just got my Oregon ballot in the mail today. Dig this: Nader ain't on it.

Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Friday, 15 October 2004 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, he's too late.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 15 October 2004 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I doubt anyone but politcs/media-hounds are paying attention to the Mary Cheney flap, and it's not going to sway anyone's vote one way or another. It'll be gone by next week.

morris pavilion (samjeff), Friday, 15 October 2004 20:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think Oregon or Virginia will leave the Kerry or Bush camps, respectively, but it appears that there are under-the-radar campaigns for each. I wonder how many other clear or hazy swing states such things are happening in.

I should note that "under-the-radar campaigns" mean different things depending on the party - for Democrats, it's voter registration; for Republicans, it's voter suppression.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 15 October 2004 23:18 (nineteen years ago) link

AP's take on the battlegrounds:

The real tossups are OH, FL, WI, IA, PA, NV, NH and NM

The states Bush can get only if he moves the national needle are MN, MI, ME and maybe NJ

The states Kerry can get only if he moves the national needle are CO, WV and AZ

This is basically how I see things, except I think that, in the absence of a national needle move, the last four tossups above are already or will very soon be in the second category, locked down as Bush or Kerry states .

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 16 October 2004 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link

So I spent the day in Wisconsin. It was pretty interesting - nothing to be intimidated by. I'd recommend carpooling to a swing state if you've got a Saturday or two you can spare. I'm feeling pretty run-down right now, might be getting the flu, but if my energy returns, I'd do it again.

k3rry (dymaxia), Saturday, 16 October 2004 22:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, and there were -plenty- of Kerry / Edwards signs in Wisconsin.

k3rry (dymaxia), Saturday, 16 October 2004 22:34 (nineteen years ago) link

i think bush will win by a small margin, though my opinion is colored by the fact that i live in south carolina and see almost nothing but those ubiquitous bush "W" bumper stickers everywhere i go.

i hope to god the bastard loses.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 16 October 2004 23:06 (nineteen years ago) link

bush will win convincingly, no more debates, no more attempts by pundits to make kerry coherent or presidential. newsweek has him up 6. kerry is getting desperate, now running ads for free college tuition. ads claiming a million jobs outsourced inaccurate, no mention of all the people who work for foreign subsidiaries. ads on mistakes are pretty good, reporters kept asking so they could make television ad, rove smart enough to not give them material. colorado is solidly bush, coors will also win. intiative won't pass because republicans don't support it, it's a poor plan because candidates are guaranteed representation even if they don't campaign there. but, frustratingly, the lame public transport bill will pass and probably the renewable energy initiative as well, don't these people have any understanding of redundancy? that's why wind power is so expensive, argh. no more trains, more lanes of freeway, carry 90% more passengers and cost around 1/3rd as much as trains. at least the stupid monorail question is not on the ballot, make skiers pay for disneyworld rides. it's a wonder that republicans win all the time when democrats offer goodies for everyone.

keith m (keithmcl), Sunday, 17 October 2004 02:57 (nineteen years ago) link

You mean the Republicans aren't? I thought Bush was proud to say the government was providing jobs and coverage for you all, you dear little man.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 17 October 2004 02:59 (nineteen years ago) link

(I mean, sorry Keith, but at least Don is honest and straightforward about calling BushCo troughfeeders, you seem to ignore that salient fact.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 17 October 2004 03:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Swing State Project is going to be a good resource over the next few days

newsweek has him up 6.

...among likely voters, a result they immediately disavowed, given that it showed Bush leading with women and Kerry leading with men. Bush is up by 1 among registered voters in their poll.

kerry is getting desperate,

;-)

reporters kept asking so they could make television ad

LOL

coors will also win

http://www.inventionfactory.com/history/RHAbridg/bb.jpg

and to think i'd missed keith's giardiasic political analysis. it's been so accurate in the past.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 17 October 2004 03:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, about this getting desperate business, I spoke briefly with Teeny online today -- you'll recall she is working for the campaign at this point -- and she indicated the mood at her place was quiet confidence mixed with a growing excitement. Take that as you will. Also interesting was that over on NRO's blog, mixed in with the to-my-mind useless to-and-froing over the polls, were these spasms of not-exactly-happiness:

Andy McCarthy on why the Mary Cheney thing is the GOP 'overplaying the hand'

Jonathan Adler on how Bush's claim to never having made mistakes is being used against him ad-wise

And my personal favorite, an endorsement that Mark Krikorian baldly says is 'not one the White House is likely to trumpet.' It begins "Why I'm voting for this clown" and proceeds to argue bluntly why the author is content to vote GOP while not hiding his contempt for Bush at all, calling him "a spoiled rich kid who wasted his youth partying with his frat-boy buddies and then woke up one morning and decided to become president. I pointed out that his domestic policy has been disastrous and his foreign policy idiotic."

A lovely paragraph:

The question that matters is not who occupies the one job at the top of the executive branch. It's who occupies the thousands of other jobs. If re- elected, Bush is much more likely to name judges who respect the Constitution and believe in limited government -- though he himself certainly doesn't. He is likely to spend less on social programs than Kerry -- though not much less.

You can fight your corner, Keith, without kowtowing to the feeb who is making a lot of your assumptions look ridiculous. You have a shit candidate you're only backing for the reasons this guy says, except at least this guy says it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 17 October 2004 03:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Heh, the KERRY campaign, I meant to say about Teeny.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 17 October 2004 03:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, and unless I missed it, Jonah Goldberg still has said jack about Robert George's contemptuous rejection of Bush, after promising to provide comments. Personally I still think it's because he can't offer a constructive one at all. Can you, Keith?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 17 October 2004 03:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Man, this thing is just coming closer and closer to the wire. Kerry's crawling towards 270, two inches forward, one inch back. I can't take this for another 2 weeks. (And that's if we even get a final result within less than 24 hrs from the polls closing...)

Girolamo Savonarola, Sunday, 17 October 2004 04:26 (nineteen years ago) link

make skiers pay for disneyworld rides.

double-you tee eff question mark

Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Sunday, 17 October 2004 05:20 (nineteen years ago) link

You might enjoy this one too, Ned

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 17 October 2004 13:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, in part because you can only pull off this kind of fraud if it's reasonably close. Also, because hope is not entirely snuffed out, yet.

Casuistry, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 18:26 (sixteen years ago) link

lolz so much rong in this thred.

I, for one, was completely otm.

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 18:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Those farm signs were killer.

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 18:41 (sixteen years ago) link


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