yeah instant-speed variants of that effect have historically been first-pickable since it's not too hard to kill 2 guys with them (see: blind with anger, act of aggression)
― ciderpress, Thursday, 23 January 2014 07:38 (ten years ago) link
is zzw really that bad? its been interesting so far, maybe not that deep but its p sweet to have good instant speed removal at common
― Lamp, Thursday, 23 January 2014 07:53 (ten years ago) link
its not horrible, its just the defensive/control cards mostly suck and the mechanics are used the same way in every color so there's no real archetypes or different feel to each of the various color pairs. it doesn't have that much depth, basically.
― ciderpress, Thursday, 23 January 2014 08:01 (ten years ago) link
ZZZ was worse, because it had even less variety. Both formats were basically aggro or nothing, but Worldwake introduced a couple good creatures that could at least block (notably Calcite Snapper). Little desire to play those formats again.
― Vinnie, Thursday, 23 January 2014 14:34 (ten years ago) link
yeah I don't really have much desire to get run over by Plated Geopedes again. I dug Alara block way more.
still the flashback thing is nice, because for one it's the sort of thing that can only really exist on MTGO, and for two it's fun to see how much the game has changed. I was playing during Saga block (in middle school!) and it's incredible how it's really a totally different game now
― frogbs, Thursday, 23 January 2014 14:39 (ten years ago) link
http://cdn.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Scourge-of-Skola-Vale-Born-of-the-Gods-Spoiler.jpg
i like this guy for limited, turns your yoked ox into a 6/6 trampler attacking on turn 4. or ox+chosen by heliod = 8/8 and still only one card down.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 23 January 2014 14:43 (ten years ago) link
turn 5 i guess. ok, i hate it now.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 23 January 2014 14:44 (ten years ago) link
Yeah the fact that it taps kind of sucks.
― Vinnie, Thursday, 23 January 2014 14:46 (ten years ago) link
yeah but then you'd be playing Yoked Ox
― frogbs, Thursday, 23 January 2014 14:49 (ten years ago) link
if i have 2+ ordeals vs a black or red deck i like yoked ok. i think i would be okay including a copy just for this guy as well.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 23 January 2014 14:53 (ten years ago) link
i think that hydra is pretty good actually
― ciderpress, Thursday, 23 January 2014 16:58 (ten years ago) link
next week flashback format is MD5, another of my least favorite formats :/but then IPA after that which is always good
― ciderpress, Thursday, 23 January 2014 17:00 (ten years ago) link
full set is up fyihttp://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/bornofthegods/cig#
― ciderpress, Friday, 24 January 2014 06:16 (ten years ago) link
uncommons continue to seem better than the rares
lotsa big flyers
sanguimancy seems like it could be black devotion's sphinx's rev
― iatee, Friday, 24 January 2014 06:36 (ten years ago) link
sooo tempted...
i told a friend that i would play the prerelease w/o having looked at any of the spoilers but now i really want to. also does anyone know what format the prerelease is taking? are you picking a faction or a color or some other garbage like that again?
― Lamp, Friday, 24 January 2014 06:42 (ten years ago) link
yeah you def pick a color. I think it's 3 theros 3 born and a seeded pack in your color? something like that
― iatee, Friday, 24 January 2014 06:45 (ten years ago) link
yeah its same format as theros prerelease was, pick a color, playable promos
you get 3 theros, 2 regular born packs, then a seeded born pack that has extra cards of your color
― ciderpress, Friday, 24 January 2014 06:50 (ten years ago) link
catbomb really seems like the only $ card here this set might be kinda dgmsy as far as value goes
― iatee, Friday, 24 January 2014 06:51 (ten years ago) link
limited format looks like its going to get even more combo-ish but now with other ways to 'combo off' besides stacking auras which is more depth i guess
power level looks very high for limited at uncommon and the top 50% of the commons, with a big dropoff to the bad commons, which would be a big warning sign for a large set but i think it's less of an issue in a 2nd set
― ciderpress, Friday, 24 January 2014 06:56 (ten years ago) link
so legacy gets the 3/1 and modern gets nothing really
― iatee, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:03 (ten years ago) link
i'm sure this set will put a few cards into modern, there's just nothing that's obviously targeted for that format
― ciderpress, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:08 (ten years ago) link
maybe some inspired card will lead to some infinite combo or something one day who knows
blue rares really make me :( blue seems kinda bad
― iatee, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:13 (ten years ago) link
except for the 2/4 woman who pumps out wind drakes
and archetype of imagination
― iatee, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:14 (ten years ago) link
cider what are you feeling for modern ptq season? i am getting kind of bored with jund and gifts is no longer competitive
― Lamp, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:14 (ten years ago) link
yeah I guess it's just the rares
man so many dumb rares
obv you should play uwr lamp
haha i would rather play u/r delver
― Lamp, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:18 (ten years ago) link
that's a fun deck too you should play that
anything but jund
― iatee, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:21 (ten years ago) link
anyway my predictions for this set are 'more fun than drafting 3x theros, people end up bitter about what a terrible value the set is cause of all the crap rares'
― iatee, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:25 (ten years ago) link
some observations:
-there's tons of ways to tap your inspired creatures outside of combat, but only Crypsis, Kiora's Follower, and Akroan Conscriptor can untap creatures for extra inspired triggers. Theros adds Breaching Hippocamp (maybe no longer crappy?), Savage Surge, Portent of Betrayal, and Triton Tactics. note that conscriptor/portent can get you your opponent's inspired effects if you steal a tapped inspired guy.-the tribute guys are really hard to evaluate but in general i think they're a lot better when you're ahead than behind so i'd probably look at them as curve-toppers in aggressive decks and leave them on the sidelines in slow/defensive ones. this theory makes the green common lifegain one look pretty bad. meanwhile, the white uncommon one looks insane and i think its better than all the rare ones.-i don't remember if eternity snare was playable in time spiral limited where its from, but it's notable for being one of two cards in the set that completely shuts down a bestow totem rather than just knocking off the bottom layer like normal removal. the other is the lyre equipment. theros didn't have cards that do this at all so i don't know how clunky they can be and still be blowouts.
― ciderpress, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:28 (ten years ago) link
lamp modern PTQ season isn't until june, there's another sealed season first. if i had to play a modern event today i'd play some sort of scapeshift deck with prismatic omens, but i think with no important new cards for the format in the past couple sets they're going to be doing a B&R change soon.
― ciderpress, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:32 (ten years ago) link
should've gotten in front of that drs banning *makes all the saddest faces*
the ptq seasons dont make any sense it was just sealed
― Lamp, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:35 (ten years ago) link
maybe they will just finally unban dark depths i just bought a playset
don't think dark depths is on their radar at all, nor should it be with some of the other cards they've got on the list right now. i'm expecting a wild nacatl unban or a deathrite shaman ban if anything
― ciderpress, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:44 (ten years ago) link
having the PT be a repeat of the last one where half the field just brought jund seems like a nightmare scenario for WotC. its hard for them to promote the format accessibility-wise when all the top players are just playing the $1800 deck year in year out
― ciderpress, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:47 (ten years ago) link
really though I think fetches are a bigger accessibility problem than jund, which clearly sits on the t1 deck perch but is not like unbeatable or anything
― iatee, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:51 (ten years ago) link
i think any talk about banning fetches is dumb and they need to just bite the bullet and put them in a large print run product to 'save' the format
― ciderpress, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:53 (ten years ago) link
as someone who just finished acquiring his I am also opposed to banning fetches but yeah that seems inevitable
― iatee, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:54 (ten years ago) link
I mean printing them not banning obv
― iatee, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:55 (ten years ago) link
i was entirely joking about dark depths. well i mean i did pick up a playset but its never coming off the modern ban list. bitterblossom and nacatl seem to be the two likely contenders for an unbanning on the internet.
oing by both mtgo and gp results the bloodbraid banning does seem to have opened up enough space for other decks. like i dont think jund is good enough now to be 40%+ of the meta at the pt? i've been playing jund in paper since the summer and while its still probably the 'best' deck its weak enough to some of the pillars that it can't be so clearly the 'right' deck in a field as big as the pt. like, the legend rule change improved affinity enough to make jund less of sound choice? idk
― Lamp, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:55 (ten years ago) link
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/tournament/14340
it's hard to see this and think that jund is some unstoppable monster
I think risk averse people play it because it's clearly not-bad
― iatee, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:56 (ten years ago) link
i am still banking on fetchland reprints starting in fall of 2015. this is also how i am justifying picking up foil onslaught fetches since having them be modern legal seems like it will push the value of the original printings even higher
― Lamp, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:57 (ten years ago) link
xp - in my xp jund is severely underrepresented on mtgo because of the cost of the deck, it was about a third of the decks that made day 2 at the most recent modern gp
― Lamp, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:58 (ten years ago) link
I think gp players are more likely to be risk averse than people experimenting on modo
― iatee, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:59 (ten years ago) link
well theres also the sheer number of affinity decks in that list to consider as well :/
― Lamp, Friday, 24 January 2014 08:00 (ten years ago) link
like how many people came into the gp w/ the deck, what's the ratio of that to the d2. (I don't think that number is public, but that's the more important figure) xp
― iatee, Friday, 24 January 2014 08:01 (ten years ago) link
yeah but otoh affinity did super terrible in the gp
I think the meta is actually pretty open
affinity is really popular on mtgo for reasons beyond my ability to explain
― ciderpress, Friday, 24 January 2014 08:11 (ten years ago) link
This set definitely looks very dgm'ish, Brimaz seems like it'll be a $40 card and then nothing else will come close. the minor gods all seem very fun but you really have to build around them in a way you don't have to with say Purphorous. as you guys have all figured out the uncommons look like they'll really shake up the Limited format (which is awesome bc I don't play constructed really)
Inspired looks like it'll rise the stock of Aqueous Form and Prowler's Helm. Slapping a Form on one of those creature-gen things and going to town seems like a good time. I like Tribute too, I think a lot of people have a bad reaction to any sort of "punisher" card but I think these are different because traditional punisher cards give you things that are bad in two very different ways while these are generally bad in the same way. Like they're all probably worse than they look but many of them seem very playable
― frogbs, Friday, 24 January 2014 14:29 (ten years ago) link