So I don't get it - they were driving in the car determinedly in the penultimate scene, then the cut to the dude. Is that supposed to be the boyfriend of the other chick? Did they already get his address?
― calstars, Monday, 27 January 2014 17:22 (ten years ago) link
i'm starting to wonder about the makeup. they're gonna be spending a LOT of time acting 15 years younger. something artificially worn in the faces. when cohle was unshirted over at hart's house w/ the mower something about his arms just seemed too… gnarled.
liked woody's performance—a lot of instability in his transparent lunges at prevaricating, trying to pretend to a desperation that it seems like he really is too indifferent/self-absorbed to sustain. but then when he's with cohle, he makes him so MAD that all the deadness that he's built up inside him is projected out onto cohle
― j., Monday, 27 January 2014 17:26 (ten years ago) link
yes otm
― ryan, Monday, 27 January 2014 17:30 (ten years ago) link
seems like with MM they split the difference and made him look younger than he really does in the flashbacks and older in the present day.
― ryan, Monday, 27 January 2014 17:31 (ten years ago) link
good stuff, j! otm
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 27 January 2014 17:32 (ten years ago) link
I'm wondering what's supposed to have happened in the intervening 15 years - Woody's obviously moved up in the world, looking clean and sharp in his fancy suit. Mac by contrast is a total mess. so professional lives diverged significantly for some reason.
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 27 January 2014 17:39 (ten years ago) link
in the first episode they mention that Rust went "off the grid" for 8 years.
also: have they even told Woody's character about the lake charles murder?
― ryan, Monday, 27 January 2014 17:42 (ten years ago) link
yeah modern day MM is remembering the compound as vietnam-like and the dude as a monster so that is what we are shown but w/in the bounds of the earlier action, i dont think they know where he lives yet, lil confusing
― johnny crunch, Monday, 27 January 2014 17:42 (ten years ago) link
xp i feel like i haven't seen that in a while, real hatred, a lot of the shows i watch, even when there is some intelligible reason for one character to hate another, it's generally kind of a morally justifiable hatred, but when cohle says to hart's wife that hart -hates- him he's right, it's just like straight up hate, and they haven't known each other long, and cohle hasn't really done anything, not anything like irrevocable, he hasn't -acted- against hart, they've just had these clashes of personality and a couple of altercations, but already that fateful first real conversation in the car has made hart into someone who is becoming dominated by hatred
― j., Monday, 27 January 2014 17:44 (ten years ago) link
thinking that rust works low-level/-stakes security now or something - he said that he works 4 days a wk and lives behind a bar -- this was in relation to needing to get beerz to start drinking @ noon on a thurs
― johnny crunch, Monday, 27 January 2014 17:50 (ten years ago) link
I think in first episode woody said he had a security consulting business now or something
― a chance to cross is a chance to score (anonanon), Monday, 27 January 2014 17:58 (ten years ago) link
Lol the ending
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 27 January 2014 18:06 (ten years ago) link
All of the dreamlike fading in and out is really twin peaksy
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 27 January 2014 18:07 (ten years ago) link
ladies and gentlemen your new nightmare wears a gasmask and y-fronts and carries a machete
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 27 January 2014 18:19 (ten years ago) link
xps Hart hates Cohle because he secretly wishes he could be that open about his fucked-upness.
"Girls always know before boys.... because they have to." so otm and so heartbreaking at the same time.
― Roz, Monday, 27 January 2014 18:29 (ten years ago) link
def. a lot of good dialogue in this.
every back-and-forth line they had outside the tent revival was hilarious.
"you have a problem with doubt""I doubt that"lol
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 27 January 2014 18:42 (ten years ago) link
yeah they're both pretty good with quippy oneliners
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 27 January 2014 19:00 (ten years ago) link
lol yeah love that whole conversation, and the fact that they were having it at a banh mi shack. xp
― Roz, Monday, 27 January 2014 19:01 (ten years ago) link
when cohle says to hart's wife that hart -hates- him he's right, it's just like straight up hate, and they haven't known each other long, and cohle hasn't really done anything, not anything like irrevocable, he hasn't -acted- against hart, they've just had these clashes of personality and a couple of altercations, but already that fateful first real conversation in the car has made hart into someone who is becoming dominated by hatred
if you're referring to the phone call he didn't say that Cohle hated him, he said Steve Geraci did
― Number None, Monday, 27 January 2014 23:56 (ten years ago) link
say that Hart hated him i mean
― Number None, Monday, 27 January 2014 23:57 (ten years ago) link
oh really?? i will have to rewatch! oh well
― j., Tuesday, 28 January 2014 00:26 (ten years ago) link
The final shot of Ledoux (assuming that's him) reminded me of that old Bigfoot footage they used to show on In Search Of, right down to the freeze frame mid-stride as he looks in the camera's direction. So creepy.
― This Is Not An ILX Username (LaMonte), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 00:42 (ten years ago) link
godammit was just reminded that this isn't on next week
― Number None, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 00:43 (ten years ago) link
aw. now sad.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 02:40 (ten years ago) link
two muthafuckin weeks
jerks
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 03:16 (ten years ago) link
That's ridiculous. Because of the Super Bowl I suppose.
pizzolatto says "Plague Doctors" inspired the look of the gas mask fella: http://www.delpiano.com/carnival/html/medico_peste.html
― ryan, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 03:21 (ten years ago) link
yikes
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 03:26 (ten years ago) link
Sound design on this episode was incredible. Those of you watching on laptops please use headphones!
Excited for next episode!
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 07:02 (ten years ago) link
Loved how Woody kept pouring the beer back and forth
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 07:03 (ten years ago) link
I'm sure an animated GIF jockey out in TumblrLand has made a loop of Mac's "The world needs bad men..." line w/cigarette lighting.
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 07:07 (ten years ago) link
― ryan, Monday, January 27, 2014 5:42 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah and they showed him the picture of the crime scene right?
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 07:12 (ten years ago) link
that speech at the end is so haunting
last show that was on tv that I ever felt compelled to rewatch each episode every week was Twin Peaks. and now True Detective. love! this show!
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 07:13 (ten years ago) link
oh I guess they just showed Cohle the photo... Maybe we're supposed to assume both saw it.
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 07:16 (ten years ago) link
I'll def rewatch all three of these that have aired in the week off. Show deserves it.
― Clay, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 07:33 (ten years ago) link
The final shot of Ledoux (assuming that's him) reminded me of that old Bigfoot footage they used to show on In Search Of
First thing I thought of:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3e4hyE6HUcA/UItP3pgYg4I/AAAAAAAAKXs/auJ5kMX_eZU/s640/safe.jpg
― Walter Galt, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 09:51 (ten years ago) link
(or, I guess with proper context):
http://neongrandpa.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/url.jpeg
― Walter Galt, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 09:52 (ten years ago) link
So these young detectives are trying to pin the murders on Cohle, right?
― longneck, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 12:37 (ten years ago) link
well if they are that beerterview ain't gonna stand up for shit
― j., Wednesday, 29 January 2014 14:13 (ten years ago) link
beerterview lol
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 16:45 (ten years ago) link
I still can't figure out exactly what they're up to other than investigating the lake charles murder. the "meaningful" glances exchanged--and the implications of off screen discussions between them--are so intriguing. the one who seems to be in charge is doing some brilliant acting. both are, in fact.
― ryan, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 16:47 (ten years ago) link
Marty has had to literally defend Cohle several times already. I'm guessing he will have to solve the real mystery after Cohle is accused of being the monster and can't be bothered to deny it.
― longneck, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:04 (ten years ago) link
I don't know anything about detective work but there's sure no way they'd show the main suspect a photograph of the crime scene, surely?
― ryan, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:06 (ten years ago) link
re: Nude Bane, the villain unveiled at the conclusion of this episode, i am definitely glad that he's introduced in the shadow of existing, retro-active suspicion over his guilt - that he can be as creepy or as perfect as possible while still also riding on our suspicion that he was too easy a catch, just some generally creepy guy, not the actual real deal. he'll presumably have the dna for ~classic creepy noir drama killer~, but kinda acknowledging that and undercutting it gives them a way to fool with it less cloyingly.
i still think this is a pretty weird show, like a lot of it's kinda trashy - every slow, lingering drive-by of a fetishistically hick-ish/pornographically socioeconomically deprived cast of characters feels super indulgent - but mcconaughey is magnetic. & woody harrelson's little boy face, after his lawn got mowed, was his first moment of credibility, so far, i think.
― mustread guy (schlump), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:11 (ten years ago) link
woody's or "marty's"?
― ryan, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:14 (ten years ago) link
I agree for sure that there's some indulgence but I've thought that the world must sometimes appear that way to a cop. everyone shifty and desperate and impoverished and just sorta crushed and controlled by forces around them. noir at it's finest, eh?
they definitely capture something of what the rural gulf coast feels like. eating outside at the banh mi shack was a nice touch.
― ryan, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:19 (ten years ago) link
that dude mowing the lawn looked like he'd seen a thing or two
― Number None, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:21 (ten years ago) link
fwiw I thot Rust's musing on "what is owed between us for our mutual illusions" while the camera lingers over a table filled with photographs of dead women is definitely a cake and eating it too moment but it was a bracing moment of self-consciousness anyway.
― ryan, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:26 (ten years ago) link
right, right
this is really interesting!
i think for me i just feel somewhat wearied by noir as salad dressing, just because it's common & seems often to be a kind of empty discharge of tropes; like it's very much in the vernacular now to have the kinda cool guy-driving-girl's-head-on-shoulder shot, or the guy who can smoke and talk at the same time or whatever, & in general i think it's lost some lustre; after the first episode of this, top of the lake - which i didn't love but liked - felt like a smarter interpretation of this, for covering similar terrain but in a way that felt less reflexively familiar. but but but!, that was after the first ep, & i think the thing it's doing with noir, now, is improved - mapping this kind of anomie and depression onto that traditional laconic male. i like the idea of those shots being charged with p-o-v value, but i feel like it's kinda risky just given the general low-hanging-fruit status of the sort of imagery they're playing with, the environment they're in; i'm more impressed seeing the desolation of mcdonalds and box stores than i am beautifully decaying shacks & dustbowl-dressed kids, but that's maybe asking for a different show entirely.
two important notes on this episode, harrelson's daughter's exercise book looked like a coffee table book of sleeve design from '90s college rock albums, & the folder mcconaughey was handling at the end looked like photography choices for my bloody valentine ep covers. & yeah it was harrelson's little-boy-face i meant, like there was a charm to seeing him from a couple of different angles this ep.
― mustread guy (schlump), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:33 (ten years ago) link
Found out that the writer was formerly an academic and it's all making sense now.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:36 (ten years ago) link
Which is fine with me, btw. I love Milch after all. It's easy to balk at the "cops create a narrative" line, etc but I'm into it.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:37 (ten years ago) link