Sully vs his readers.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:07 (ten years ago) link
generally loathe Sully, but he's right on this point
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:15 (ten years ago) link
We've had dozens of mediocrities or just passably competent presidents and only a very few great ones. Presidents rarely leave office as popular as when they entered it. I don't see any reason why HRC would not fit comfortably into this long tradition. I'm willing to bet she'd outshine Gerald Ford, Warren Harding and Franklin Pierce.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:37 (ten years ago) link
i doubt it
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:45 (ten years ago) link
we had a couple worse presidents than Warren Harding, like the one who succeeded him.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:46 (ten years ago) link
remember the common 2008 theory that the dangerous flipside to the overwhelming youth support of Obama was that when, inevitably, he ended up disappointing people it might alienate young people from politics?
did anyone ever follow up on that with research on voter enthusiasm (with a focus on young voters with high enthusiasm for obama back then vs. their political involvement now, for example)?
all i have is anecdotal evidence because in the runup to the 2008 election i was in a public policy program with lots of politics nerds, and then immediately moved to DC. i don't really have a good feel for how the average young voter in 2008 feels now.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:51 (ten years ago) link
harding granted amnesty to radicals who had been persecuted during the red scare, signed the first child care legislation ever passed by congress, and tried to pass an anti-lynching bill. he's way overdue for reassessment.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:52 (ten years ago) link
except Aimless, none of those guys moved us closer to extinction through inaction. She would.
(so will anyone else who can be elected)
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:53 (ten years ago) link
The historical bias against Grant is due to almost a hundred years' worth of historians dismissing Reconstruction (i.e. he was the only president of the era who really believed it and sent troops to the South when necessary)
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:55 (ten years ago) link
Gerald Ford, Warren Harding and Franklin Pierce
these dudes were not facing species-extinction-event level scenarios
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:57 (ten years ago) link
depends on how you classify The War Between the States.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:58 (ten years ago) link
Gerald Ford had the codes to WWIII to use at his disposal.
― pplains, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 22:08 (ten years ago) link
The part where Christie is declared Toast
― anything but a martyr (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:12 (ten years ago) link
generally loathe Sully, but he's right on this point― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, February 5, 2014
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, February 5, 2014
he's sorta right, but it's a bit unfair. also, she'll make a fantastic candidate, especially if she's savvy enough to pivot left on select issues. of course, she'll become just one more casualty of the coming christie dynasty.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:18 (ten years ago) link
I am not excited about this election.― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, February 5, 2014 I'm bored by this thread.― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, February 5, 2014
I'm bored by this thread.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, February 5, 2014
what? CHRIS CHRISTIE will soon by president of the united states of america. this isn't exciting?
i don't get it. i don't get it. would you please explain.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:21 (ten years ago) link
pivot left on select issues
this isn't going to happen. nothing in her career suggests it will.
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:24 (ten years ago) link
hm. i dunno. she's pretty savvy, and she moves where the votes are.
anyway, CHRIS CHRISTIE will be president, so observe hrc's moves only in an academic sense.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:30 (ten years ago) link
also, she'll make a fantastic candidate
Would love to know why you feel this way.
― anything but a martyr (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:32 (ten years ago) link
(other than "she can raise money")
― anything but a martyr (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:33 (ten years ago) link
her electoral strategy is going to hinge on peeling away aging white male voters from the GOP, that's where the votes are. which way do you think they tend to lean.
xp
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:33 (ten years ago) link
her candidacy is still seen as historic, she'll peel women and aging white male votes from the gop, she's 20x more savvy than everyone, save obama, who's run in the last two election cycles, she's got a great, cutting way in debates, she's deep into details on policy. by no means perfect, but a very good candidate.
i'm not a fan of her centerist leanings, but i prefer her over, say, a president christie.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:38 (ten years ago) link
chris christie is not going to be president for cryin' out loud
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:40 (ten years ago) link
sez you
― Daniel, Esq 2, Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:42 (ten years ago) link
I'd be happy to place a wager against it
― anything but a martyr (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:45 (ten years ago) link
i have $100,000,000.00 in invisible monopoly-money, ready to take your wager.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:46 (ten years ago) link
seriously, why do you all think the tide has turned against christie?
Because the GOP donor class isn't giving him dough.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:47 (ten years ago) link
When the money stops, you know a candidate is done.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:48 (ten years ago) link
i've kinda checked out of politics lately, but i thought christie was making peace with the tea-party, and had the establishment solidly on his side. something change?
― Daniel, Esq 2, Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:48 (ten years ago) link
i realize anything's possible, there's prob a parallel universe where president palin just declared martial law, but christie's still dealing with a pretty major scandal that's not going away any time soon and hillary has a huge fanbase left over from her previous run.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:49 (ten years ago) link
Christie's staff killed an old woman.
Not actually joking.
― Fight the Powers that Be with this Powerful Les Paul! (DJP), Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:49 (ten years ago) link
i actually thought the whole bridge-gate thing had blown-over (unless something shocking is unearthed)
― Daniel, Esq 2, Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:50 (ten years ago) link
^^^^
GOP's got nobody, this is Hillary's to lose unfortunately.
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:51 (ten years ago) link
He shit in his backyard too many times, and those recipients started wagging their tongues.
Nobody has ever spoken fondly of him, except they were glad he was willing to be an asshole in confronting the teacher's unions.
People think fondly of Hillary but as The Inevitable, it's only a matter of time before someone else in the party gets some play.
And there's a long time for someone to appear.
― anything but a martyr (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:51 (ten years ago) link
Would be nice to think of examples where old ladies won big elections. She'll be nearly 70 at the election.
― anything but a martyr (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:52 (ten years ago) link
And you know wing nuts will be leaking or demanding her health records.
― anything but a martyr (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:53 (ten years ago) link
wingnuts are always leaking.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:54 (ten years ago) link
she'll peel women and aging white male votes from the gop, she's 20x more savvy than everyone, save obama, who's run in the last two election cycles, she's got a great, cutting way in debates, she's deep into details on policy.
you're wrong on almost all these points, imo. women are already a pretty solidly Democratic demo, and idk what her appeal to old white male GOPers is, they probably can still dredge up their hatred of her from previous Clinton administration if they're old enough. Dunno about "savvy", her campaign against Obama demonstrated she couldn't pivot too nimbly against new and challenging threats. don't recall her being particularly "cutting" in any of the debates (feel free to remind me of any quality zings), but being too "cutting" will = "Shrillary!" howls from the peanut gallery. And policy details put the electorate to sleep.
I think her biggest problem is she has no platform to run on besides a) being Hillary Clinton and b) getting shitloads of Dem cash.
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:55 (ten years ago) link
tbf it happens all the time. in other countries.
He shit in his backyard too many times, and those recipients started wagging their tongues.Nobody has ever spoken fondly of him, except they were glad he was willing to be an asshole in confronting the teacher's unions.People think fondly of Hillary but as The Inevitable, it's only a matter of time before someone else in the party gets some play.And there's a long time for someone to appear.― anything but a martyr (dandydonweiner), Thursday, February 13, 2014
― anything but a martyr (dandydonweiner), Thursday, February 13, 2014
well, like i said, i've been out-of-the-loop (by design) for awhile. still, a few points.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:58 (ten years ago) link
I don't think anyone's gonna really challenge Hillary from the left, where is the money going to come from
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 14 February 2014 00:01 (ten years ago) link
Warren will get money from me.
― schwantz, Friday, 14 February 2014 00:04 (ten years ago) link
I think her biggest problem is she has no platform to run on besides a) being Hillary Clinton and b) getting shitloads of Dem cash.― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, February 13, 2014
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, February 13, 2014
policy-wise, she'll run mostly as obama's successor, but try to distance herself rhetorically. she'll continue pushing on the ACA (in fact, she could move to the left of obama on HCR, in at least subtle ways), she'll be a hawk, she'll push for comprehensive immigration reform, she'll probably endorse a strengthening of the safety net.
i guess the gop opponent will have a platform, but it will be the same retread, dumb ideas they've had for years now (yes, yes, i've heard they're working on an "anti-poverty" policy-package).
― Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 14 February 2014 00:04 (ten years ago) link
It's incredibly sad that we could end up with Bush, Clinton, Bush, (Obama), Clinton (or maybe Jeb?). Just the overwhelmingly lame aesthetics of that could damage HRC...
― schwantz, Friday, 14 February 2014 00:06 (ten years ago) link
As far as her relationship with the press and Obama's voters in general, she's learned a great deal from her mistakes and from actually not winning for once in her life. Plus, everyone liked her enough as SoS.
― baked beings on toast (suzy), Friday, 14 February 2014 00:07 (ten years ago) link
It's incredibly sad that we could end up with Bush, Clinton, Bush, (Obama), Clinton (or maybe Jeb?). Just the overwhelmingly lame aesthetics of that could damage HRC...― schwantz, Thursday, February 13, 2014
― schwantz, Thursday, February 13, 2014
in times of trouble, go with what you know.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 14 February 2014 00:09 (ten years ago) link
Daniel, we know plenty more now about the guy Charles Pierce calls Big Chicken. Elizabeth Drew:
Moreover, the way the Christie administration has distributed Sandy funds is becoming a major scandal of its own. Christie had to fight hard to get the just over $60 billion in relief money approved by Congress. At the time, several members of Congress charged that some of the money would be diverted for projects that had little or nothing to do with hurricane damage. Unfortunately, those critics have already been proven right. Steve Kornacki of MSNBC has exposed more Christie issues than anyone else. Among Kornacki’s stories was a piece on the use of Sandy funds to build a seniors’ apartment complex in Belleville, an inland town barely affected by the hurricane. (The project was on the drawing board well before Sandy hit.)
There have been complaints, meanwhile, that while sections of the shore have been restored, in particular the tourist area, many people with houses on the Jersey shore that were devastated weren’t receiving the funds they deserved; no one knows what criteria were applied for helping people whose homes were destroyed almost a year and a half ago. Another issue that has brought trouble for Christie is that he used some of the federal money to pay for ads – not by the lowest bidder—about Sandy recovery efforts that featured his family in the months running up to his reelection. The company hired to assess the compliance of Sandy projects with the law was suddenly and mysteriously fired the first week of February.
If it turns out that Christie has used the federal relief payment as a slush fund, this has serious implications—not just for Christie and for his state but for any state in the country that has a natural disaster in the future. Christie’s activities are now of national import.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 February 2014 00:31 (ten years ago) link
what if hrc doesn't run?
omg. O'Malley v. Cuomo v. Hickenlooper v. Schweitzer v. Gillibrand v. Klobuchar v. Napolitano.
elizabeth warren, a nation turns its lonely eyes to you. woo woo woo.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 14 February 2014 00:32 (ten years ago) link
kornacki the christie-killer.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 14 February 2014 00:33 (ten years ago) link
i agree, btw, that if christie used disaster relief as a slush-fund, it goes beyond hurting his political career. it's disgraceful, partly because it proves the right-wing cynics were correct, and could really hurt future disaster relief (which, obv., is urgently needed after a devastating event like sandy).
― Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 14 February 2014 00:35 (ten years ago) link