wingnuts are always leaking.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:54 (ten years ago) link
she'll peel women and aging white male votes from the gop, she's 20x more savvy than everyone, save obama, who's run in the last two election cycles, she's got a great, cutting way in debates, she's deep into details on policy.
you're wrong on almost all these points, imo. women are already a pretty solidly Democratic demo, and idk what her appeal to old white male GOPers is, they probably can still dredge up their hatred of her from previous Clinton administration if they're old enough. Dunno about "savvy", her campaign against Obama demonstrated she couldn't pivot too nimbly against new and challenging threats. don't recall her being particularly "cutting" in any of the debates (feel free to remind me of any quality zings), but being too "cutting" will = "Shrillary!" howls from the peanut gallery. And policy details put the electorate to sleep.
I think her biggest problem is she has no platform to run on besides a) being Hillary Clinton and b) getting shitloads of Dem cash.
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:55 (ten years ago) link
Would be nice to think of examples where old ladies won big elections. She'll be nearly 70 at the election.
tbf it happens all the time. in other countries.
He shit in his backyard too many times, and those recipients started wagging their tongues.Nobody has ever spoken fondly of him, except they were glad he was willing to be an asshole in confronting the teacher's unions.People think fondly of Hillary but as The Inevitable, it's only a matter of time before someone else in the party gets some play.And there's a long time for someone to appear.― anything but a martyr (dandydonweiner), Thursday, February 13, 2014
Nobody has ever spoken fondly of him, except they were glad he was willing to be an asshole in confronting the teacher's unions.
People think fondly of Hillary but as The Inevitable, it's only a matter of time before someone else in the party gets some play.
And there's a long time for someone to appear.
― anything but a martyr (dandydonweiner), Thursday, February 13, 2014
well, like i said, i've been out-of-the-loop (by design) for awhile. still, a few points.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:58 (ten years ago) link
I don't think anyone's gonna really challenge Hillary from the left, where is the money going to come from
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 14 February 2014 00:01 (ten years ago) link
Warren will get money from me.
― schwantz, Friday, 14 February 2014 00:04 (ten years ago) link
I think her biggest problem is she has no platform to run on besides a) being Hillary Clinton and b) getting shitloads of Dem cash.― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, February 13, 2014
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, February 13, 2014
policy-wise, she'll run mostly as obama's successor, but try to distance herself rhetorically. she'll continue pushing on the ACA (in fact, she could move to the left of obama on HCR, in at least subtle ways), she'll be a hawk, she'll push for comprehensive immigration reform, she'll probably endorse a strengthening of the safety net.
i guess the gop opponent will have a platform, but it will be the same retread, dumb ideas they've had for years now (yes, yes, i've heard they're working on an "anti-poverty" policy-package).
― Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 14 February 2014 00:04 (ten years ago) link
It's incredibly sad that we could end up with Bush, Clinton, Bush, (Obama), Clinton (or maybe Jeb?). Just the overwhelmingly lame aesthetics of that could damage HRC...
― schwantz, Friday, 14 February 2014 00:06 (ten years ago) link
As far as her relationship with the press and Obama's voters in general, she's learned a great deal from her mistakes and from actually not winning for once in her life. Plus, everyone liked her enough as SoS.
― baked beings on toast (suzy), Friday, 14 February 2014 00:07 (ten years ago) link
It's incredibly sad that we could end up with Bush, Clinton, Bush, (Obama), Clinton (or maybe Jeb?). Just the overwhelmingly lame aesthetics of that could damage HRC...― schwantz, Thursday, February 13, 2014
― schwantz, Thursday, February 13, 2014
in times of trouble, go with what you know.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 14 February 2014 00:09 (ten years ago) link
Daniel, we know plenty more now about the guy Charles Pierce calls Big Chicken. Elizabeth Drew:
Moreover, the way the Christie administration has distributed Sandy funds is becoming a major scandal of its own. Christie had to fight hard to get the just over $60 billion in relief money approved by Congress. At the time, several members of Congress charged that some of the money would be diverted for projects that had little or nothing to do with hurricane damage. Unfortunately, those critics have already been proven right. Steve Kornacki of MSNBC has exposed more Christie issues than anyone else. Among Kornacki’s stories was a piece on the use of Sandy funds to build a seniors’ apartment complex in Belleville, an inland town barely affected by the hurricane. (The project was on the drawing board well before Sandy hit.)
There have been complaints, meanwhile, that while sections of the shore have been restored, in particular the tourist area, many people with houses on the Jersey shore that were devastated weren’t receiving the funds they deserved; no one knows what criteria were applied for helping people whose homes were destroyed almost a year and a half ago. Another issue that has brought trouble for Christie is that he used some of the federal money to pay for ads – not by the lowest bidder—about Sandy recovery efforts that featured his family in the months running up to his reelection. The company hired to assess the compliance of Sandy projects with the law was suddenly and mysteriously fired the first week of February.
If it turns out that Christie has used the federal relief payment as a slush fund, this has serious implications—not just for Christie and for his state but for any state in the country that has a natural disaster in the future. Christie’s activities are now of national import.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 February 2014 00:31 (ten years ago) link
what if hrc doesn't run?
omg. O'Malley v. Cuomo v. Hickenlooper v. Schweitzer v. Gillibrand v. Klobuchar v. Napolitano.
elizabeth warren, a nation turns its lonely eyes to you. woo woo woo.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 14 February 2014 00:32 (ten years ago) link
kornacki the christie-killer.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 14 February 2014 00:33 (ten years ago) link
i agree, btw, that if christie used disaster relief as a slush-fund, it goes beyond hurting his political career. it's disgraceful, partly because it proves the right-wing cynics were correct, and could really hurt future disaster relief (which, obv., is urgently needed after a devastating event like sandy).
― Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 14 February 2014 00:35 (ten years ago) link
Plus, Christie hugged a black president in October 2012, a sin for which the GOP has never forgiven him and used as an example of his apostasy because they're stupid.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 February 2014 00:35 (ten years ago) link
http://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/4f12b7a052020467cb2e67106cddcf1a/tumblr_n0ud3fjzCE1qzniimo1_1280.jpg
― mookieproof, Friday, 14 February 2014 00:35 (ten years ago) link
he looks so happy
a biden vs. christie race would be...something.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 14 February 2014 00:37 (ten years ago) link
Plus, Christie hugged a black president in October 2012, a sin for which the GOP has never forgiven him and used as an example of his apostasy because they're stupid.― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, February 13, 2014
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, February 13, 2014
how big a deal is this? i mean, say christie's politics are almost perfectly aligned with the gop base, and his one misstep was the sandy situation (which, of course, includes his hugging pres. obama). is he DOA in the 2016 primary?
― Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 14 February 2014 00:37 (ten years ago) link
say christie's politics are almost perfectly aligned with the gop base
let's stop right there
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 14 February 2014 00:38 (ten years ago) link
xps presumably before some kid transferred into his district and took the starting catcher's job
― mookieproof, Friday, 14 February 2014 00:39 (ten years ago) link
why? it's a hypothetical question. not taking a position either way. i'm genuinely curious about how serious that one moment of bad-optics was for the gop base.
(xp)
― Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 14 February 2014 00:40 (ten years ago) link
xps presumably before some kid transferred into his district and took the starting catcher's job― mookieproof, Thursday, February 13, 2014
― mookieproof, Thursday, February 13, 2014
president christie will not stop until he hunts-down that kid and drone-kills him.
Other than defending Muslims, there is no -- none -- difference between Christie and the GOP in 2014.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 February 2014 00:40 (ten years ago) link
okay. so exactly how heretical is his "hugging a black president" moment?
― Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 14 February 2014 00:43 (ten years ago) link
i mean, the gop's know about that very public image -- and been upset about the timing -- for over a year now. but that's not what's supposedly stopping or slowing christie.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 14 February 2014 00:44 (ten years ago) link
oh I dunno, used to be pro-choice, "soft" on immigration - there's some light there I think
xp
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 14 February 2014 00:44 (ten years ago) link
He lost the election because he hugged this thing and thus showed he was a RINO all along, according to the base.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 February 2014 00:44 (ten years ago) link
wait, wasn't christie leading polls of republicans recently as the 2016 favorite? they knew about the "hugging the black president" moment then, and all the other gop contenders were just as high-profile at that time as they are now, but the polls still favored christie v. other gop hopefuls.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 14 February 2014 00:46 (ten years ago) link
i dunno. if his 15 minutes of fame is over, i'll hardly cry about it. i just didn't realize we'd reached that point.
good going, america.
Daniel, watch Chris Hayes, who as I'm typing is reviewing the Sandy allegations.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 February 2014 01:03 (ten years ago) link
The hug won't hurt Christie at all. The Sandy allegations are much, much more potent for obvious reasons.
Am so glad Biden has no chance in this thing.
― anything but a martyr (dandydonweiner), Friday, 14 February 2014 01:05 (ten years ago) link
christie's done. hugging a gay black chicago thug muslim kenyan weak dictator didn't kill him but it's part of why nobody really has his back, it's part of why rand paul is able to get traction continuing to attack. this christie thing has made msnbc completely unwatchable btw. john cornyn's tea party challenger has been using a pic of cornyn hugging obama from a photoshopped image of crist hugging obama in their campaign against him. moveon/kos used lieberman hugging bush against him in 2006.
hillary doesn't have a platform yet cuz it's 2014
― balls, Friday, 14 February 2014 01:06 (ten years ago) link
Daniel, watch Chris Hayes, who as I'm typing is reviewing the Sandy allegations.― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, February 13, 2014
on it (and thanks). but since you and i are the only people watching chris-hayes right now . . .
― Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 14 February 2014 01:06 (ten years ago) link
lol xpost
omg is RAND PAUL gonna be the nominee? hrc v. rand is almost better than hrc v. christie.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 14 February 2014 01:07 (ten years ago) link
this christie thing has made msnbc completely unwatchable btw
dude, it was unwatchable EXCEPT for Kornacki and Hayes. Now it's tedious. But, you know, journalism.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 February 2014 01:07 (ten years ago) link
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ otmfm
what's really sad there is that kornacki and hayes should switch roles. another discussion for another thread.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 14 February 2014 01:09 (ten years ago) link
I don't see how Rand Paul gets the nomination, even with a solid year to rehab his image
― anything but a martyr (dandydonweiner), Friday, 14 February 2014 01:16 (ten years ago) link
dammit.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 14 February 2014 01:16 (ten years ago) link
Christie's biggest problem is that he is an asshole and being an asshole (especially in this day and age) usually gets in the way of a presidential run. It's hard for an asshole to be consistently telegenic.
And while we're at it, America is not ready to elect a fat person.
― anything but a martyr (dandydonweiner), Friday, 14 February 2014 01:31 (ten years ago) link
http://www.history.com/images/media/slideshow/william-h-taft/william-h-taft-speaking.jpg
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 February 2014 01:33 (ten years ago) link
most gop hopefuls are assholes.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 14 February 2014 01:33 (ten years ago) link
Nice try Alfred but that shit won't fly in These Times.
Rand Paul - slight asshole tendencies, but not perceived as an assholePaul Ryan - not widely perceived as an assholeRick Santorum - assholeTed Cruz - asshole
None of those guys can raise money well, although Cruz is a bit untested.
Jeb Bush - not an asshole, can raise moneyRubio - not an asshole, can raise moneyScott Walker - not an asshole, likely can raise money
Not that many people think Jeb actually wants the job.
― anything but a martyr (dandydonweiner), Friday, 14 February 2014 01:39 (ten years ago) link
lol, the gop is deep in its "wandering aimlessly in the wilderness" phase if it's gonna be rand v. ryan v. rubio. walker, eh, but really no.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 14 February 2014 01:41 (ten years ago) link
that is one motley crew of a primary.
COME BACK, HERMAN CAIN, ALL IS FORGIVEN.
no it isn't
― Fight the Powers that Be with this Powerful Les Paul! (DJP), Friday, 14 February 2014 01:47 (ten years ago) link
Walker's just not likeable enough to translate to a national stage, imo. He may play in the primaries, but no further.
Of course, John Kerry came close to taking the White House in 2004 and he's a blank piece of paper.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 14 February 2014 01:57 (ten years ago) link
I would love to see the GOP hip-deep in Santorum for as long as humanly endurable in 2016.
― Aimless, Friday, 14 February 2014 02:04 (ten years ago) link