I don't really get how Sony Pictures can have licensed the Spider-Man pictures "forever" but I can't find any concrete details on how their licensing from Marvel works
― Nhex, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 15:38 (ten years ago) link
I think it's a rights in perpetuity thing as long as Sony doesn't let the series lapse for X number of years. Marvel sold off those franchises when superhero movies were at their nadir.
Eventually, though, Disney will have enough money to just buy them all back and then lock up copyright until 4500 AD.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 15:41 (ten years ago) link
That's still an insane deal; I guess Marvel was coming off bankruptcy a few years earlier, but it seems incredibly unwise in retrospect
I've heard of these kinds of licensing agreements before (if X property is not activated within Y years, rights revert back to property holder) but to allow this to go on in perpetuity is nuts
― Nhex, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 15:44 (ten years ago) link
The Amazing Spider-man was basically the equivalent of Corman's Fantastic 4.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 15:47 (ten years ago) link
In terms of timing, not so much in terms of budget
― have a nice blood (mh), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 15:50 (ten years ago) link
I wish they'd done that as a loose continuation rather than a reboot; Raimi did the origin story pretty much perfectly.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 16:00 (ten years ago) link
It was painful watching them try to differentiate the new origin story from the old one. Worst part was robbing Uncle Ben of "With great power..." and replacing it with some weird off-brand paraphrase instead.
― bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 16:08 (ten years ago) link
a spiderman movie was in the works for so long that 'this will never actually get made' wasn't a totally unfair assumption. guardians trailer looked good enough to me, sets the tone and looks worst case scenario the movie version of hitchhiker's guide. could imagine it not doing well and ending up an honorable flop like scott pilgrim or underperformer like pacific rim but if it's a hit it opens things up for marvel in a huge way (esp compared to wb/dc where they're so timid from having fucked up their properties they have to bundle wonder woman into a movie that already has superman and batman in it). i don't own stock in disney so why do i give a fuck if this is 'too risky' or they're making this move 'too soon', if it flops they'll keep doing what they're doing and take a tiny baby step out of the comfort zone somewhere else (ant man apparently), if it doesn't maybe summers become alot more interesting and fun.
― balls, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 16:14 (ten years ago) link
steve gerber's 70s guardians of the galaxy isn't his best work, but does contain at least a few moments of genuinely visionary strangeness, whereas - like that panel reproduced above - this new iteration just seems to be awful zany garbage
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 16:16 (ten years ago) link
I guessing having absolutely no experience with Guardians I just think "hey it's Chris Pratt and this looks fun" but I guess ymmv
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 16:29 (ten years ago) link
all I know about Guardians is that they have a tree that only knows one sentence and a homicidal raccoon
― sent as gassed to onto rt dominance (DJP), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 16:30 (ten years ago) link
That's the worst kind!
― Ian from Etobicoke (Phil D.), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 16:32 (ten years ago) link
Bendis take on Guardians in recent issues has had laughs but been much less goofy. Kind of wondering if he was a script advisor of some sort and the comics series is adhering more to the post-movie outlook.
― have a nice blood (mh), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 16:35 (ten years ago) link
This incarnation, when the first appeared in Annihilation, were great. Better than the 70s or 80s versions by some margin. The following eponymous series was solid, and they were decent all through the big cosmic sagas of the 00s. However, once Bendis started writing them in the NOW! version they turned to crap.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 16:36 (ten years ago) link
True, seems like an attempt to bring them into the earth sphere of Marvel politics
The fact that each member of the team has some sort of baggage with either a galactic civilization or a galactic-scale individual (Thanos!) is kind of a good hook and Abnett/Lanning were good at characterization.
― have a nice blood (mh), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 16:40 (ten years ago) link
my impression is that Bendis is the go-to-guy for helping mold the current post iron man 2 movie canon arc
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 16:56 (ten years ago) link
my impression is that Bendis actually hates action sequences and will bend over backwards in order to make more room for teenagers bickering with each other about their feelings
(in fairness, sometimes this approach works)
― sent as gassed to onto rt dominance (DJP), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 17:00 (ten years ago) link
he should be writing the x-men movies
― have a nice blood (mh), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 17:01 (ten years ago) link
it's only working sporadically on the X-Men comic books
― sent as gassed to onto rt dominance (DJP), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 17:03 (ten years ago) link
There's a "brain trust" of sorts shaping this stuff -- Bendis, Joe Quesada and I can't remember who else. Possibly Jeph Loeb (*shudder*) -- xps to forks
― needs more garlic → (WilliamC), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 17:05 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, it is Loeb, which makes me irrationally angry.
― have a nice blood (mh), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 17:06 (ten years ago) link
Bendis is great at dialogue and slow-burn plots and hopeless at complicated multi-character action-packed narratives as far as I can tell. I was obsessed with his Daredevil/Alias period but gave up following him after one of those messy cross-title Avengers stories.
― What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 17:07 (ten years ago) link
Loeb is a decent-enough premise guy but don't let him try to outline
― sent as gassed to onto rt dominance (DJP), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 17:08 (ten years ago) link
teenagers bickering kinda IS the core of the X-Men, they can't be punching each other alla the time
xps Quesada definitely involved, when he "stepped down" from EiC he moved into the movie/TV stuff fulltime
― Nhex, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 17:09 (ten years ago) link
I've been trying to figure out if coming up with easy-to-follow plot ideas in broad strokes is his main strength. All his Batman stuff was very understandable but I just thought it was boring as hell. When he tries to write characters it gets... less good.
― have a nice blood (mh), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 17:10 (ten years ago) link
Loeb, that is
OTM. Get Loeb to do the plots and Bendis to do the character and dialogue and you're golden.
― What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 17:11 (ten years ago) link
he used to be good, really!
― Nhex, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 17:12 (ten years ago) link
Sorry, the Ultimate universe stuff is now the lens through which all Loeb work will be viewed. It's just that way.
― have a nice blood (mh), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 17:13 (ten years ago) link
This looks fun and campy in a good way (as opposed to dreary and campy like John Carter or similar).
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 17:20 (ten years ago) link
Ha, my wife just watched the trailer and came to me with so many confused questions.
― needs more garlic → (WilliamC), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 17:22 (ten years ago) link
Like "Batista!?"
― Nhex, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 17:33 (ten years ago) link
How are people not stoked? Granted I know nothing but this is solid trailer action.
The action stuff looks good. the words coming out of the actors suggest nobody involved in the script knows how to write funny jokes.
― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 22:06 (ten years ago) link
really hope they go over Star Lord's origin because he got such a raw deal and the character has a lot of motivation to be a jerk
― have a nice blood (mh), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 22:06 (ten years ago) link
it looks like two different films jammed together.
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 22:23 (ten years ago) link
SOP for comics adaptations, right? Origin story + 1st adventure in one film.
― needs more garlic → (WilliamC), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 22:27 (ten years ago) link
Eh, I'm not so sure that will be the case with this one, since it has to fit into the broader story they're telling with the other films. With Iron Man 3 films in, Thor 2 in, Captain America on 2, Avengers a juggernaut so huge the second one is on the radar, this movie is a balancing act. Since I'd argue the characters are much less familiar than the aforementioned, it has to be origin, adventure, as well as pushing the bigger story forward. Because I can't imagine people will be satisfied with this if the only big picture glimmers it gives comes five minutes into the credits.
Or, you know, maybe they will! Resolution of the Infinity Gauntlet story at this rate will be post-Avengers 2, I believe.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 22:44 (ten years ago) link
yeah, i think this will be sowing seeds for Avengers 3. There's a Guardians sequel due before that even
― Number None, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 22:47 (ten years ago) link
also an animated show. Marvel seem to be pretty convinced this is going to work
― Number None, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 22:48 (ten years ago) link
i meant it looks more like a buddy movie comedy and a grand sci-fi standard blast em up
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 22:51 (ten years ago) link
I was pretty nerdy in school, and I collected X-Men comics and had friends that had all kinds of comics, we even read Wizard all the time, and I had never heard of GOTG before this movie was announced. Maybe I wasn't paying attention.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 23:05 (ten years ago) link
Marvels thing is pretty much just comedies with action, this looks like more of the same with funnier characters. I think it pretty much is going to be a action/buddy comedy film. If they swing and miss it will be bad, but if they do a comedy and it sells ok it really does open up that studio to doing some different things.
The Drax story at the beginning of Annhilation about the prison ship crash in Alaska I think could be a pretty good b-movie idea on it's own.
― earlnash, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 23:17 (ten years ago) link
Loeb was always terrible and Bendis cannot write dialogue, guys
― (D1CK$) (sic), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 23:26 (ten years ago) link
I was pretty nerdy in school, and I collected X-Men comics and had friends that had all kinds of comics, we even read Wizard all the time, and I had never heard of GOTG before this movie was announced. Maybe I wasn't paying attention.― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, February 19, 2014 11:05 PM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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this was rebooted after the infinity guantlet/war storylines in the early 90s when I was collecting comics. I forgot about it too.
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 23:57 (ten years ago) link
I read comic books plenty when I was little, & I never heard of this property either.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 February 2014 00:08 (ten years ago) link
I wonder if comics readers today call them properties?
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 20 February 2014 00:10 (ten years ago) link
if this beats ender's game numbers i think it will have been a victory for humanity, just like when jackass: bad grampa beat ender's game numbers it was also a victory for humanity.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 20 February 2014 00:22 (ten years ago) link
1990 is what Im thinking of..
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_large/0/4/29547-4398-32838-1-guardians-of-the-gal.jpg
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 20 February 2014 00:32 (ten years ago) link
yep, that's when it showed up on my radar. and don't forgethttp://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/blog_post_349_width/2014/02/rocket_raccoon_1_cover_a_p.jpgor bill mantlo either: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/rocket-raccoon-creators-plight-draws-681744 )
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 20 February 2014 00:34 (ten years ago) link
in any case, it's immensely weird that they would pull guardians of the galaxy out of the toybox before deadpool. i guess the banks liked the idea of a new star wars
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 20 February 2014 00:36 (ten years ago) link