The whole concept of exoticism is precisely part of the problem.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 13 March 2014 17:29 (ten years ago) link
The people in a given church may be identical, but that doesn't mean they're wealthy. Don't churches do fund-raisers to pay to send their members to other countries? (I'm not defending going to these countries to "spread the word," just saying that a young person who does this isn't necesarily a douchebag.)
And per exoticism, is all travel bad? Or only travel to poor countries? Can you discern their motives from one or two pictures?
― nickn, Thursday, 13 March 2014 17:44 (ten years ago) link
seems like something ilx can all agree on
― °ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Thursday, 13 March 2014 17:50 (ten years ago) link
the people running that tumblr are picking some pretty egregious examples but i think gr80's defense isn't bad
xp lol
― goole, Thursday, 13 March 2014 17:50 (ten years ago) link
People from the global north (or whatever you're calling it these days) with racial, economic, etc forms of privilege who go to less developed, less privileged countries to save them from whatever, should be really thoughtful about their motivations and their interactions with the people in those places.
It's not that you can't take pics with people you meet on your travels! Or that kids everywhere aren't great, because they are. It's choosing those pics as representative of you and putting them out there to ppl who don't know anything about the sitch? It's irresponsible to ignore the context of that representation in our society/social circles, whether an individual actor is a "douchebag" or not. The practice of NOT being thoughtful or intentional about representation should be brought up and discouraged on all levels.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 13 March 2014 17:52 (ten years ago) link
idk it's better than fishing pictures
― goole, Thursday, 13 March 2014 17:58 (ten years ago) link
I think the lens that a lot of people are viewing the situation with is in line with a few studies about the monetary effectiveness and productivity of voluntourism, in light of accounts like this: https://medium.com/race-class/b84d4011d17e
― have a nice blood (mh), Thursday, 13 March 2014 17:58 (ten years ago) link
how many pippas are there?
― goole, Thursday, 13 March 2014 17:59 (ten years ago) link
idk I think we have a voluntourism thread somewhere
― have a nice blood (mh), Thursday, 13 March 2014 18:01 (ten years ago) link
Fishing pics AND white savior pics are both deal breakers for me tbh.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 13 March 2014 18:01 (ten years ago) link
yeah they are both (mostly) disqualifying.
― goole, Thursday, 13 March 2014 18:01 (ten years ago) link
mantaining white neoliberal hegemony over the icthyosphere is less of a problem for me on a political level i guess
― goole, Thursday, 13 March 2014 18:03 (ten years ago) link
my take on it is: go on a vacation to somewhere that could use your $$ and party it updonate to organizations that help people by giving their resources to build their own communitiesvolunteer in your own community
also put lots of fishing pics online because fishing is awesome
― have a nice blood (mh), Thursday, 13 March 2014 18:03 (ten years ago) link
what i really don't understand is the car selfie
― goole, Thursday, 13 March 2014 18:04 (ten years ago) link
since we're being judgmental abt the way strangers choose to present themselves in dating website photos, its and immediate turn-off for me when anyone who self-identifies as a "photographer" only has photos that are bad/cellphone selfies etc
― °ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Thursday, 13 March 2014 18:07 (ten years ago) link
It's choosing those pics as representative of you and putting them out there to ppl who don't know anything about the sitch?
in orbit very otm. To me it says 'I am blissfully unaware that this could even potentially say anything about me, or about the role of this kind of travel, that is less than positive'.
― ljubljana, Thursday, 13 March 2014 18:10 (ten years ago) link
its and immediate turn-off for me when anyone who self-identifies as a "photographer" only has photos that are bad/cellphone selfies etc
Well it's like that old riddle about the town with two barbers, where one has a good haircut and the other doesn't. The better barber is the one with the worse haircut, because he gets his hair cut by the other barber! What I'm saying is demand the person send you pictures of their friends
― Vinnie, Thursday, 13 March 2014 18:16 (ten years ago) link
mentioning your myers-briggs personality type is an immediate turn-off for me.
also this is probably shooting myself in the foot but, given two identical profiles, one of which mentions radiolab, i will go for the one that doesn't mention radiolab.
― caek, Thursday, 13 March 2014 18:57 (ten years ago) link
Wow, I do an hour of actual work and the thing blows up.
It's choosing those pics as representative of you and putting them out there to ppl who don't know anything about the sitch? - in orbit
― ljubljana
I see these points, but I think we're doing a lot of contextual assuming about these pics. Benefit of the doubt and all. After all, it's a dating site, not a personal essay on where the person fits in the world. Now if the person loads the site with those kind of pics, and offers lots of text about all the good he/she's done, then I'm with you. I did look at the site since my original post, and the one page I saw is just individual pictures in isolation.
― nickn, Thursday, 13 March 2014 19:14 (ten years ago) link
^judgmental but correct
xp to caek
― °ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Thursday, 13 March 2014 19:14 (ten years ago) link
xp The context for the photos is the existence of racism, colonialism, et al. They're not context-neutral UNTIL we look at them--the idea that "we" are adding the context in our viewing is one of those fallacies that neutrality is desirable or even possible.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 13 March 2014 19:22 (ten years ago) link
I don't know what radiolab is but that's similar to my position on people who have tried stand-up and/or sketch comedy classes.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 13 March 2014 19:28 (ten years ago) link
― goole
so you're saying there's still a chance for us <3 <3 <3
― unw? j.......n (darraghmac), Thursday, 13 March 2014 19:34 (ten years ago) link
xp haha, harsh!
― Nhex, Thursday, 13 March 2014 19:35 (ten years ago) link
i'm imagining a slight alternative where people have pictures of themselves and their travels *without* any of the residents of those places. "here i am in tanzania" etc. it's rare but it does exist. which does call into question the purpose of those trips, sure -- when in pisa, stand next to the tower; when in guatemala, next to the woman working in the market.
almost all of my traveling has been in the US but i couldn't imagine asking someone, hey, take my pic next to this guy working at a fruit stand or w/e. even if i was there for a long time and we got to be friendly.
but yeah nick kristof style liberalism is a thing, lotta people love it and can't imagine what would be wrong with it.
― goole, Thursday, 13 March 2014 19:43 (ten years ago) link
^ otm ^
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 13 March 2014 19:46 (ten years ago) link
would like to see the ultimate ilx dealbreaker profile:picture with smiling african kidscoldplay shirtmalcolm gladwell books everywhere
― bnw, Thursday, 13 March 2014 19:51 (ten years ago) link
wite
― unw? j.......n (darraghmac), Thursday, 13 March 2014 19:53 (ten years ago) link
I'd add: every photo is of you engaged in some outdoorsy pursuit
― kate78, Thursday, 13 March 2014 19:54 (ten years ago) link
confidently untroubled by the world and its painful complexity
― goole, Thursday, 13 March 2014 19:54 (ten years ago) link
lol I saw one the other day that used the word "indoorsy" and I approve of that.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 13 March 2014 19:55 (ten years ago) link
Obviously completely ruling out outdoor activities wouldn't work for me or almost anyone (for inst I kind of refuse to date someone who refuses to ride a bike, because the logistics are just too annoying), but I like the admission.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 13 March 2014 19:56 (ten years ago) link
I do not give a flying fuck what your enneagram is.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 13 March 2014 19:56 (ten years ago) link
My myers briggs is IH8U
― polyphonic, Thursday, 13 March 2014 19:59 (ten years ago) link
I'm just glad Amelie doesn't turn up as every woman's favorite film anymore.
― brains hangin (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 13 March 2014 20:00 (ten years ago) link
Ohhh boy.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 13 March 2014 20:03 (ten years ago) link
i saw a girl on tinder the other day who's tagline was "I'll spare you the Marilyn Monroe quotes" and i swooned for a sec
― °ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Thursday, 13 March 2014 20:03 (ten years ago) link
yeah jesus where did that even come from
― goole, Thursday, 13 March 2014 20:06 (ten years ago) link
meyers-briggsREALLY INTO podcasts, but especially radiolabmore than half photos are yogaany outdoor yoga photospursuing improv (don't mind if they've done it once, v magnanimous of me i know)
― caek, Thursday, 13 March 2014 20:14 (ten years ago) link
you guys must know a lot of bad "comedy people"
― Nhex, Thursday, 13 March 2014 20:15 (ten years ago) link
stand-up is ok, improv is not ok, that's how i break it down to an extent
― death and darkness and other night kinda shit (crüt), Thursday, 13 March 2014 20:16 (ten years ago) link
yoga is such a tough call
― goole, Thursday, 13 March 2014 20:17 (ten years ago) link
xp ha weird. i look it like improv/sketch people are largely doofuses, but you gotta be a real asshole to keep doing standup
― Nhex, Thursday, 13 March 2014 20:18 (ten years ago) link
yeah improv's popularity is one of the things that makes me confused about america
― caek, Thursday, 13 March 2014 20:19 (ten years ago) link
christian
― °ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Thursday, 13 March 2014 20:19 (ten years ago) link
I've seen so many pictures of Machu Picchu in profiles I'm beginning to think I live there.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 13 March 2014 20:19 (ten years ago) link
^^
back from college out east
― j., Thursday, 13 March 2014 20:23 (ten years ago) link
alt., back from brooklyn
"i'm kind of a nomad"
― goole, Thursday, 13 March 2014 20:24 (ten years ago) link