people have never asked me unsolicited, what I think of a particular television show, and never have, not even when I worked in an office with watercoolers and awkward small-talk. it's a myth... isn't it? or did I miss out?
― thomasintrouble, Monday, 31 March 2014 21:14 (ten years ago) link
lol
― have a nice blood/orange bitters cocktail (mh), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:15 (ten years ago) link
negative strawman, bold move
― fauxpas cola (darraghmac), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:15 (ten years ago) link
idk on other hand seeing as they start the whole tv conversation thing because seriously what person without a tv starts a tv conversation....well then maybe they know i'm going to say sorry i dont even have a tv so they want the annoyance because they enjoy judging and looking down on me because of it, and when you put it like that who am i to spoil the fun
― cog, Monday, 31 March 2014 21:16 (ten years ago) link
I think I have only seen that in that "God Bless America" movie in the last few years, in its satirical takedown of american culture, so it is possibly a thing people do
― have a nice blood/orange bitters cocktail (mh), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:17 (ten years ago) link
i haven't even seen "God Bless America"
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:17 (ten years ago) link
we need your country, class, and social status to really make a call here, cog
I'm guessing UK by the Doctor Who ref
― have a nice blood/orange bitters cocktail (mh), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:18 (ten years ago) link
actually, im a european atheist myself
― fauxpas cola (darraghmac), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:18 (ten years ago) link
darragh on fire
― have a nice blood/orange bitters cocktail (mh), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:20 (ten years ago) link
The weather? I don't even own any sensory organs.
― I want a gentleman. I enjoy fitness and pottery. (Aimless), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:20 (ten years ago) link
I don't think ilxors kvetching about people being strident about their lack of tv ownership and cog's obnoxious coworkers being judgmental about the same are coming from the same place
― have a nice blood/orange bitters cocktail (mh), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:23 (ten years ago) link
v fancy worldview darraghmac, kudos
― Raptain Chillips (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:24 (ten years ago) link
oh my parents brought me up that way actually, they would never allow god in the house. in europe.
― fauxpas cola (darraghmac), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:25 (ten years ago) link
a person can be judged by different groups of people from different attacking positions, perhaps it would be simpler if i just got one
― cog, Monday, 31 March 2014 21:27 (ten years ago) link
yeah get a tv dude sons of anarchy is p good
― Raptain Chillips (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:27 (ten years ago) link
I think I'm trying to say that no one invoking this stereotype on ilx has you in mind, but if you want to play martyr....
― have a nice blood/orange bitters cocktail (mh), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:28 (ten years ago) link
ums otm
martvr
― fauxpas cola (darraghmac), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:30 (ten years ago) link
I don't watch tv, I'm too busy raisin' hell with my motorcycle gang
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:30 (ten years ago) link
There was definitely a point where not owning a TV was a thing some people were proud of. Also not owning a car. Then it was all about not owning a cell phone which gradually morphed into not owning a smart phone. I pretty recently heard someone say "I don't even have a facebook account". Cancelling cable seems to be pretty popular these days. I'm gonna try to jump ahead of the curve a bit and start boasting that I don't have a netflix account.
― silverfish, Monday, 31 March 2014 21:30 (ten years ago) link
i don't even have an ilx login
― fauxpas cola (darraghmac), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:31 (ten years ago) link
If my coworkers are talking about some church-related activity, I don't say "I don't even go to church, I'm an atheist"
then I tell them I totally vape, though
― have a nice blood/orange bitters cocktail (mh), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:03 (24 minutes ago) Permalink
Well obviously you don't just butt in and say "hey everybody I don't go to church," but if someone asked you a church-related or religion-related question, wouldn't you say "I don't go to church?" Because at some point it just kind of sounds like fear to not say so imo.
― james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:33 (ten years ago) link
not so much fear as just fuck this i don't even feel like getting into it...it's the same reason i delete every other tweet and ilx post before i post it
― Raptain Chillips (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:34 (ten years ago) link
fear is a man's bets friend
― waterbabies (waterface), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:34 (ten years ago) link
why shouldnt people be pleased at not owning a car..they're bad for the environment!
― cog, Monday, 31 March 2014 21:34 (ten years ago) link
if someone asked you a church-related or religion-related question, wouldn't you say "I don't go to church?"
nah, I'd go to HR
― have a nice blood/orange bitters cocktail (mh), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:35 (ten years ago) link
and if someone asks me if i could take some stuff somewhere in my car i say im sorry i dont even have a car not no my car is at the garage getting its fibulator decompressed
― cog, Monday, 31 March 2014 21:36 (ten years ago) link
it's the same reason i delete every other tweet and ilx post before i post it
otm
― polyphonic, Monday, 31 March 2014 21:37 (ten years ago) link
i feel like caring too much about religion or getting upset is un-atheistic. if something doesn't exist you should just kinda shrug your shoulders at it not get all uptight. it's like getting uptight about a leprechaun. just a wry internal lol is the only response.
― Raptain Chillips (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:38 (ten years ago) link
the thing is there's a difference between "I don't own a a car" and "I don't even own a car". I mean obviously it's better to not own a car, but some people are jerks about it.
xxp
― silverfish, Monday, 31 March 2014 21:41 (ten years ago) link
if something doesn't exist you should just kinda shrug your shoulders at it not get all uptight.
just a bit of murdering of gay men and female genital mutilation and worldwide terrorism, let's be cool, atheists.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:45 (ten years ago) link
― have a nice blood/orange bitters cocktail (mh), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:35 (9 minutes ago) Permalink
lol ok right
― james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:45 (ten years ago) link
yeah thats part of what i was getting at! saying "i dont have a tv" sure who is going to get weird abt that but responding to "hey have you ever seen parks and rec" with "I DONT EVEN OWN A TV" is def a different thing. i mean, i dont have a tv, i have a netflix/hulu/videogame player that is called a tv so i have no horse in this race really. xxp
― Corpsepaint Counterpaint (jjjusten), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:45 (ten years ago) link
idk DG i kinda feel like thats not necessarily where most theists are at yknow but its true i dont pry neither
― fauxpas cola (darraghmac), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:46 (ten years ago) link
― silverfish, Monday, March 31, 2014 5:41 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
"Jerks" how? The feelings of car-owners in the room get hurt?
― james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:47 (ten years ago) link
so its that they feel bad about themselves because they own a car and a tv and they are hurting the environment, but they dont want to admit it so they take it out on me, and somehow im the dick? well if they didnt talk about cars and tvs the whole time the whole mess could have been avoided
― cog, Monday, 31 March 2014 21:47 (ten years ago) link
and before somebody gets incredulous and strawman grand inquisitor on me that is an actual conversation that i had at a super dull party after said dork waxed poetic about Baby Mama the motion picture so i reserve all rights to clown that fool
― Corpsepaint Counterpaint (jjjusten), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:48 (ten years ago) link
Nah hurting its about how you carry yourself imo not the ripple effect intended nor otherwise
― fauxpas cola (darraghmac), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:48 (ten years ago) link
the point is that there is a very different connotation to the "i dont even X" and the "i dont X" that is not terribly difficult to parse
― Corpsepaint Counterpaint (jjjusten), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:49 (ten years ago) link
might have something to do w/you thinking they must or ought to feel bad about themselves for that
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:49 (ten years ago) link
cog are u just sore cos clockwork is kinda passé these days, is that it
― fauxpas cola (darraghmac), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:49 (ten years ago) link
ayo jjjj telling ppl how ppl must or how easily they must parse is nagl its 2014
― fauxpas cola (darraghmac), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:50 (ten years ago) link
i liked baby mama ok
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, March 31, 2014 4:45 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
by lecturing ppl at work or by getting all personal angry about something you're not actually doing anything to change any of these things. i agree that religion has often bad efx on the world but unless you plan on actually working or volunteering or giving money to organizations that are trying to change these things, just hanging on to anger about shit isn't actually helping you or anyone
not to mention there are lots of religious ppl that are nice folks who are p normal and probably do more charity shit that i ever do
― Raptain Chillips (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:50 (ten years ago) link
the point is that there is a very different connotation to the "i dont even X" and the "i dont X" that is not terribly difficult to parse --Corpsepaint Counterpaint (jjjusten)
Because don't x is for the first time, and don't even x is for all the millions of other times
― cog, Monday, 31 March 2014 21:51 (ten years ago) link
or as another version call it the difference between "i don't know any songs by Pearl Jam" and "Pearl Jam? I don't even know who that is"
― Corpsepaint Counterpaint (jjjusten), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:51 (ten years ago) link
i'm not down with your binaries there, UMS
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:51 (ten years ago) link
cog are u just sore cos clockwork is kinda passé these days, is that it --fauxpas cola (darraghmac)
I'm sore because I just tripped over the tv on the way to the bathroom
― cog, Monday, 31 March 2014 21:52 (ten years ago) link
so to paraphrase this whole question is
a) being tuomasb) clowning tuomas
― Corpsepaint Counterpaint (jjjusten), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:52 (ten years ago) link
I wish I wasn't aware of any songs by pearl jam
― have a nice blood/orange bitters cocktail (mh), Monday, 31 March 2014 21:55 (ten years ago) link
or as another version call it the difference between "i don't know any songs by Pearl Jam" and "Pearl Jam? I don't even know who that is" --Corpsepaint Counterpaint (jjjusten)
Naw not really - the even is when you get asked about pearl Jam in such a way that if course you like pearl jam were just going to assume that without asking and like no actually I don't even know who that is
People so bothered about the tone of the answer maybe they forgot to look at the tone of the question
― cog, Monday, 31 March 2014 21:55 (ten years ago) link