is brassier really good? i read a short article by him in a collection and it was ok.
― ryan, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 15:00 (ten years ago) link
does someone actually scan all of less than nothing?
quick answer is yeah (though perhaps not less than nothing itself as that was quickly available in ebook form), there's enough of a community rejecting the absurdities of academic publishing for people to spend a lot of time scanning and sharing. you're definitely not killing academic publishing by downloading stuff, they have some of the highest profit margins around. (if you errrrrrm happen to be interested in an excellent source of research materials, dm me on twitter?)
― Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 15:09 (ten years ago) link
xps 5 years sounds about right - i always thought of aaaaarg as being a launch point for academic book-sharing - & it gave me the impression that a lot of ppl online seemed driven on principle to get theory, especially, circulating.
― woof, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 15:22 (ten years ago) link
when i got my book contract from an academic press i immediately did the math on the royalties and found out that i'd need to sell 20 million copies to be a millionaire. *crosses fingers*
― ryan, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 15:27 (ten years ago) link
merdeyeux, expect a dm tonight! (thanks)
i don't mind paying for the books. i don't own much and don't care too, except for my books.
ryan i'll read your shit as long as it isn't one of those hundred dollar p4lg4v3 or r0ut13dg3 deals. make sure to tell us when it's out
― markers, Friday, 4 April 2014 19:35 (ten years ago) link
oh, and i think i read br4ssi3r's doctoral thesis a few years ago. it's out there, legally, for free. look for "alien theory."
nihil unbound i've skimmed. it looks real good.
― markers, Friday, 4 April 2014 19:36 (ten years ago) link
is that the one he's since disowned?
― ryan, Friday, 4 April 2014 19:39 (ten years ago) link
in my experience, the press I'm with isn't terrible about prices. pleased that they are one of the few doing ebooks as well.
― ryan, Friday, 4 April 2014 19:41 (ten years ago) link
xps woof already mentioned the site i was being (probably unnecessarily) hush hush about, but you do need to be invited to it nowadays, so if you're not already on it send me yr email address and i'll do the rest.
― Merdeyeux, Friday, 4 April 2014 19:42 (ten years ago) link
btw markers another answer to your 'how do things get pirated' question is that in our circles the authors are generally as against the pricing of academic books as everybody else is, so they'll often happily distribute their final pdf copies from the publisher if they're confident it can't be traced back to them.
― Merdeyeux, Friday, 4 April 2014 19:46 (ten years ago) link
hint hint ryan.
haha hint well taken! I doubt it'd be in hot demand but couldn't hurt to broaden its accessibility.
― ryan, Friday, 4 April 2014 19:56 (ten years ago) link
is that the one he's since disowned?― ryan, Friday, April 4, 2014 3:39 PM
― ryan, Friday, April 4, 2014 3:39 PM
not sure "disowned" is the right word, but i remember him saying something (re: nihil unbound) like "i regard the book as a botched job" (that's close to a direct quote). i don't think i've ever heard him talk about his thesis too much?
also, yes, academic ebooks are funny insofar as many of them do not exist (legally). good luck finding the brassier book on amazon.
so if you're not already on it send me yr email address and i'll do the rest.
ah thank you! but i think i'll avoid it b/c for some reason i feel paranoid about signing up for something like that where i wouldn't be paranoid about just checking it out. i could see why it's more locked down now.
oh yeah. i think i knew they'd do that for articles, but didn't know they'd do the same for books.
― markers, Friday, 4 April 2014 20:06 (ten years ago) link
i'm serious about reading either of yr stuff btw. let me know whenever stuff's available through whatever channel.
― markers, Friday, 4 April 2014 20:07 (ten years ago) link
fair enough. i think in addition to that the mp3-downloading 'problem' of just having too much available to you is amplified. if i had the option of reading all the books i own before plunging into the thousands and thousands of pdfs they have then i'd take it, but as someone who has to produce work its an absolutely invaluable resource.
i think the only publisher who actually tried to take action against @@@@@rg was verso, good radicals that they are. for quite a while zizek was conspicuously absent from their archives.
― Merdeyeux, Friday, 4 April 2014 23:05 (ten years ago) link
On that note, though, verso is selling all their books online for half off this week...
― Fiddler on a hot tin roof (ed.b), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 14:34 (ten years ago) link
uh holy shit
― markers, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 17:30 (ten years ago) link
not their lefebvre : (
― j., Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:01 (ten years ago) link
huh? http://www.versobooks.com/books/1062-introduction-to-modernity
― markers, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:06 (ten years ago) link
http://www.versobooks.com/books/264-critique-of-everyday-life-volume-onehttp://www.versobooks.com/books/274-critique-of-everyday-life-volume-two
the newest one on his author page isn't out yet
― markers, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:07 (ten years ago) link
huh, that is a change from the day or two ago when i was looking at 'critique'
― j., Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:08 (ten years ago) link
well maybe you were on this page: http://www.versobooks.com/books/1623-the-critique-of-everyday-life
― markers, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:08 (ten years ago) link
oh, that's why—i want volume 3
― j., Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:09 (ten years ago) link
note the "may 2014"
― markers, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:09 (ten years ago) link
this is insane though. whatever they were hoping to accomplish with this, it's gonna probably work and get me to sign up for their store, which i wouldn't have done otherwise.
if i had more money now i'd drop a lot on this
― markers, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:10 (ten years ago) link
xp or, when it is issued, a ~900 page CRITIQUE OF ALL YALL MOTHERFUCKERS W/ BLACK AND WHITE TEXT-ONLY COVER ART
― j., Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:10 (ten years ago) link
for a hardcover! http://www.versobooks.com/books/437-fanaticism
― markers, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:13 (ten years ago) link
wanna order...three books from verso, what are your favourites everyone? give me a wide spread.
― online hardman, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 21:30 (ten years ago) link
minima moralia
signs mistaken for wonders
and, i dunno, one i'd like to read, say rancière, hatred of democracy
― j., Tuesday, 8 April 2014 21:37 (ten years ago) link
i didnt think id want anything but after looking at the website Élisabeth Roudinesco's book on Lacan looks good!
― ryan, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 21:41 (ten years ago) link
zizek - sublime object of ideologyzizek - living in the end timesvarious artists - aesthetics and politicshal foster - the art-architecture complexanabel hernández - narcoland
― Mordy , Tuesday, 8 April 2014 21:42 (ten years ago) link
Contingency, Hegemony, Universality remains a favorite. and anything by Ernesto Laclau in general. wish i knew more, but Verso tends to cover things outside my competence. which is why i should read more of their stuff.
i can't find any info on "signs mistaken for wonders"--what is it? good title.
― ryan, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 21:43 (ten years ago) link
nevermind! it's moretti.
― ryan, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 21:45 (ten years ago) link
shit it's not in stock.
― ryan, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 21:47 (ten years ago) link
Jameson's Late Marxism is really good, though i read it probably a decade ago.
― ryan, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 21:52 (ten years ago) link
minima moralia out of stock :(
― mattresslessness, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 21:58 (ten years ago) link
you should order it used anyway, to get the bad-motherfucker black cover instead of the newer grosser one
o wait i see the new sexxxier series has a kewl black hardcover now
― j., Tuesday, 8 April 2014 22:26 (ten years ago) link
i'll wait for a library copy.
― mattresslessness, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 22:38 (ten years ago) link
went hardcore suck-up and bought a bunch of stuff by ppl in my department.
― Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 23:20 (ten years ago) link
know Brouwer's math pretty well, had no idea about that element of his philosophy! saw some very out-there heyting quotes the other day that inspired me to want to learn more. sort of painfully naive claims about mathematics being that which is 'immediately evident' and thus not needing a philosophy. maybe brouwer's intuitionism really went that deep too.
― wat is teh waht (s.clover), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 23:56 (ten years ago) link
for me it's just striking how deep into some kinda pro-christian (anti-world) schopenhauerian dutch nationalist melange it is, apparently w/o much buildup. that level of philosophical uh embeddedness is not exactly surprising in mathematicians/scientists of that age or earlier, i just wonder at its specific sources (since it is evidently more or less a repetition of dogmas common to the schopenhauerian tradition).
schopenhauer has a weird philosophy of mathematics that stems somehow from his ways of claiming to correct/simplify kant (esp. in the direction of affirming unusual doctrines about perception which i think from an orthodox kantian perspective just sound uncritical?).
― j., Wednesday, 9 April 2014 00:13 (ten years ago) link
Brouwer's sources include Fichte and Schelling and Goethe ; he's drawing on German idealism
― Euler, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 01:55 (ten years ago) link
well yuh, i meant something a bit more recent
― j., Wednesday, 9 April 2014 02:01 (ten years ago) link
can't post it now but there are p close textual similarities b/w Fichte et al & Brouwer's text, kinda striking
― Euler, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 02:40 (ten years ago) link
talk was excellent - thought there were some pretty clear connections between his mathematical work and his solipsism, or at least his idealism
― twistent consistent (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 9 April 2014 05:44 (ten years ago) link
this discussion sent me on a bit of reading. lots of texts seem to suggest schopenhauer was directly key, and more directly his teacher Gerrit Mannoury. want to read more about him and the signific circle now, but not sure how much if anything is available in english.
also didn't read that it was originally brouwer that coined the term (apparently) 'metamathematics'! i had always thought that it originated more as a _concession_ to those who claimed certain stuff wasn't 'real math' than as a point of pride and distinction...
― wat is teh waht (s.clover), Wednesday, 9 April 2014 18:59 (ten years ago) link
re. Brouwer's influences, this is a secondary lit article I'd recommend, in this volume
― Euler, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 20:32 (ten years ago) link
started reading more on mannoury and wow that guy is interesting. anyone know more about him and the significs group? dude was talking about speech acts 30 years before austin. the connection with Adriaan de Groot and cognitive psych is also really interesting.
― wat is teh waht (s.clover), Friday, 11 April 2014 03:33 (ten years ago) link