Cool map action
http://quartermaester.info/
― polyphonic, Monday, 21 April 2014 19:27 (ten years ago) link
^ lol, i was thinking about sharing that but figured it had already surfaced here. super helpful!
― hug niceman (psychgawsple), Monday, 21 April 2014 19:31 (ten years ago) link
I hope Podrick does his sex magic on Oberyn's paramour while the latter watches with increasing annoyance.
― nashwan, Monday, 21 April 2014 19:56 (ten years ago) link
Do they ever explain why wildlings don't just travel around the wall by boat?
― Evan, Monday, 21 April 2014 20:14 (ten years ago) link
it would get them too close to water and spoil their fundamental dirtiness
― Wahaca Flocka Flame (DJP), Monday, 21 April 2014 20:14 (ten years ago) link
I'm not sure if it was fully ever explained, but besides Castle Black there are old fortresses at the "ends" of the walls at the sea that would supposedly deter such attacks.
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 21 April 2014 20:15 (ten years ago) link
Also where does Dany stash the now massive and unruly dragons upon arrival at each city?
― nashwan, Monday, 21 April 2014 20:16 (ten years ago) link
so glad there's a pretty lil white women to liberate all the brown people
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 21 April 2014 20:23 (ten years ago) link
it's ok - she is their mother
― Karl Malone, Monday, 21 April 2014 20:39 (ten years ago) link
They've crossed a line for a lot of people with the Cersei/Jaime rape even in a show where its spectre is so prevalent (amplified further with the Sam/Gilly scenes). Were they intending it to open up a debate of some sort? Much easier to see the online backlash than the story's gain right now.
― nashwan, Monday, 21 April 2014 20:57 (ten years ago) link
lol waht
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 21 April 2014 21:08 (ten years ago) link
I mean are people actually morally outraged at a show about murder + incest + rape + pretty much every imaginable horrible thing
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 21 April 2014 21:09 (ten years ago) link
I guess they haven't covered bestiality yet
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 21 April 2014 21:11 (ten years ago) link
truly, what possible line could it have crossed if you've watched the show up to now.
― ryan, Monday, 21 April 2014 21:13 (ten years ago) link
yeah it's totally the time to handwave the massive amounts of unnecessary sexual (and sexualised) violence in the show because ~it's HBO~.
― gyac, Monday, 21 April 2014 21:16 (ten years ago) link
the line of ppl of really liked jaime's character before this and are feeling disappointed. it's one thing to try and kill a child...
― Mordy , Monday, 21 April 2014 21:17 (ten years ago) link
*waves hand*
― ryan, Monday, 21 April 2014 21:18 (ten years ago) link
Also, Littlefinger's accent is just trolling us now. What was wrong with his s1 voice?!
― gyac, Monday, 21 April 2014 21:19 (ten years ago) link
I'm not handwaving - this show is really obviously exploitative, often in a remarkably silly and shallow way - I just don't see how this episode contained anything qualitatively worse than any of the other episodes
xp
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 21 April 2014 21:19 (ten years ago) link
the line of ppl of really liked jaime's character before this and are feeling disappointed
oh is that it? he's too pretty to be bad? lol
Because it's massively out of character and adds literally nothing to the point people wonder what was the point of including it. I seriously doubt they're going anywhere interesting with this.http://www.avclub.com/article/rape-thrones-203499
― gyac, Monday, 21 April 2014 21:23 (ten years ago) link
She kissed him. A light kiss, the merest brush of her lips on his, but he could feel her tremble as he slid his arms around her. “I am not whole without you.”
There was no tenderness in the kiss he returned to her, only hunger. Her mouth opened for his tongue. “No,” she said weakly when his lips moved down her neck, “not here. The septons…”
“The Others can take the septons.” He kissed her again, kissed her silent, kissed her until she moaned. Then he knocked the candles aside and lifted her up onto the Mother’s altar, pushing up her skirts and the silken shift beneath. She pounded on his chest with feeble fists, murmuring about the risk, the danger, about their father, about the septons, about the wrath of gods. He never heard her. He undid his breeches and climbed up and pushed her bare white legs apart. One hand slid up her thigh and underneath her smallclothes. When he tore them away, he saw that her moon’s blood was on her, but it made no difference.
“Hurry,” she was whispering now, “quickly, quickly, now, do it now, do me now. Jaime Jaime Jaime.” Her hands helped guide him. “Yes,” Cersei said as he thrust, “my brother, sweet brother, yes, like that, yes, I have you, you’re home now, you’re home now, you’re home.” She kissed his ear and stroked his short bristly hair. Jaime lost himself in her flesh. He could feel Cersei’s heart beating in time with his own, and the wetness of blood and seed where they were joined.
can I just lol this is terrible writing
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 21 April 2014 21:24 (ten years ago) link
Exactly. Plus this instance of sexual violence isn't even in the book! They actually went out of their way to insert it into a scene from the book that is already pretty messed up. That's what's rubbing a lot of people the wrong way.
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 21 April 2014 21:26 (ten years ago) link
X-post
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 21 April 2014 21:27 (ten years ago) link
this seems like the took something present in the text and slightly tweaked it to make Jaime's anger at her previous rejection more central to the act. didn't seem out of character to me, made sense given all the indignities Jaime's been subjected to since his return, and makes sense that he would take it out on Cersei. as for whether or not they're "going anywhere" nothing on this show goes anywhere, that seems pretty immaterial
um it's right there in the paragraphs I posted, her saying no, beating on his chest etc.?
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 21 April 2014 21:27 (ten years ago) link
first she says no, but then she says yes, so it's not rape! classic
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 21 April 2014 21:29 (ten years ago) link
difference in portrayal is that Cersei "helped guide him" and appears to have some enthusiasm about it as opposed to the scene in the show which is pretty vicious with all the "I don't care, I don't care" and the weird awful punishment feel to it all.
― gyac, Monday, 21 April 2014 21:35 (ten years ago) link
Also his line about her being "so hateful" beforehand (is this in book idk?) gave it extra menace. It just jars with his character's trajectory.
Meanwhile Ygritte killed some innocents boooo
― nashwan, Monday, 21 April 2014 21:36 (ten years ago) link
yeah jamie's been on a "redemption arc" since leaving king's landing and has reconnected some with knightly ideas of chivalry and honor via brienne (he loses his hand saving her from a rape ffs, not long after saying if he were a woman he'd rather die than experience rape) the "why do i love a woman so hateful" line is jamie blaming the stuff he doesn't like in himself, his own self-loathing, on cersei's mere presence and the rape becomes a punishment for that. that's not exactly in the text where he's mostly just overcome with a lust that she shortly shares. it way way way out of character.
― it's a trilby (Clay), Monday, 21 April 2014 21:49 (ten years ago) link
Could it be to make Cersei seem more sympathetic as far as screwing on the table your son's body is lying on goes?
― nickn, Monday, 21 April 2014 21:54 (ten years ago) link
also loled at Daario stepping up to fight the champion of Meereen after Barristan, Grey Worm & Jorah got turned down for being too valuable. "If you die, we'll just cast another one" - other half.
― gyac, Monday, 21 April 2014 21:54 (ten years ago) link
That might be what's intended to some degree but what comes across more is the viciousness of the act itself and the feeling of betrayal after building up the audience's good will toward Jaime. Unless the show runners intend to do something vastly different with Jaime's character arc It's a shockingly boneheaded miscalculation.
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 21 April 2014 22:01 (ten years ago) link
x-post again
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 21 April 2014 22:02 (ten years ago) link
Well maybe not so shockingly, as there have been plenty of baffling adaption choices on this show (as well as some really good ones to be fair).
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 21 April 2014 22:06 (ten years ago) link
Lol, yeah, this new twist on the accent was driving me crazy.
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 21 April 2014 22:08 (ten years ago) link
"smallclothes" lolEvery so often I think I want to read the books but I know I couldn't stand it
― kinder, Monday, 21 April 2014 22:09 (ten years ago) link
Fwiw, it's really only the sex stuff that is so terrible. iirc, the Theon and his sister stuff was also pretty cringe-worthy in the books. The rest of the writing isn't nearly that awful.
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 21 April 2014 22:16 (ten years ago) link
Man who worked in Hollywood for years unable to write about sex well.
― nashwan, Monday, 21 April 2014 22:29 (ten years ago) link
The food scenes however
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 21 April 2014 22:30 (ten years ago) link
they did this w/ dany and khal also. hbo.
― balls, Monday, 21 April 2014 22:33 (ten years ago) link
I think it might be a miscalculation (opposing, sort of, AV Club review mentions that the scene in the book is from Jamie's POV and so Cersei deciding against it is probably slanted), but I don't think it's awful exploitation re: what HBO normally does.
In the books it was the first time they saw each other since he had left, right? Here they've added him there earlier and pointedly made her distant with him.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 21 April 2014 22:38 (ten years ago) link
feel like the dany/khal scene in the book weakened Dany's character and stretched credulity tbh
re:the rape scene,the whole thing has been made worse by the episode's director coming out and stating that he does not see it/it was not intended as as a rape scene. which...oooooof.
― Simon H., Monday, 21 April 2014 22:52 (ten years ago) link
^ wow. where did the director say that?
― hug niceman (psychgawsple), Monday, 21 April 2014 22:56 (ten years ago) link
― gyac, Monday, 21 April 2014 22:56 (ten years ago) link
you might be right, my mind might be skipping to where she shows him how he needs to be fucking her
― balls, Monday, 21 April 2014 23:02 (ten years ago) link
― Simon H., Monday, April 21, 2014 10:52 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark
In fairness, the writer (Benioff, I think) saw it as a horrific scene
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 21 April 2014 23:12 (ten years ago) link
http://m.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-game-of-thrones-breaker-of-chains-uncle-deadly
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/20/game-of-thrones-most-wtf-sex-scene-nikolaj-coster-waldau-on-jaime-lannister-s-darkest-hour.html
I think it's clear they don't know what the hell they're doing
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 21 April 2014 23:25 (ten years ago) link
in terms of "how is this brutal violence any different from whatever they've done before," i've just finally reached my breaking point in being able to stand it. i found it increasingly difficult to stomach season 3 with the constant groping of casually nude women by fully clothed men, all the rape jokes, etc. it feels like every time we see a poor peasant woman in a house somewhere and Men Arrive, you can bet they're going to manhandle her while she tearfully struggles. i can see why people think the book version of the scene in the sept was problematic because it reduced an intrinsically coercive act to "he ravished her but ultimately she liked it," but i would rather be having THAT conversation about nuance and gray areas and cersei's negotiation of agency within that coercive situation. instead it's just more unbridled violence against women in a show that already seemed oversaturated with it.
― reddening, Monday, 21 April 2014 23:52 (ten years ago) link
it can be tough
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 21 April 2014 23:57 (ten years ago) link