jaime and cersei having sex next to their dead son is disturbing and that's not what people are complaining about. no one's being like "oh my stars a rape scene in game of thrones won't somebody think of the children" lusty depictions of violent rape are normalized not surprising in any way + appear all the time in media for stupid or irrelevant reasons like in this episode
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 01:51 (ten years ago) link
I need to master this spell correct crap, I meant "bloodcurdling"
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 01:53 (ten years ago) link
Feel like it's too soon to say "irrelevant reasons" considering the way this show operates
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 02:01 (ten years ago) link
yeah i just can't wait to see where this develops
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 02:57 (ten years ago) link
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/game-of-thrones/10679012/Game-of-Thrones-star-Sophie-Turner-films-rape-scene-in-front-of-parents.html
Spoiler?
― Evan, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 03:01 (ten years ago) link
handwringing over this ep is hilarious
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 03:06 (ten years ago) link
Stop enabling fictional rape with your amused indifference
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 03:23 (ten years ago) link
that's...a pretty shitty stance to take towards people talking about media depiction of rape? like i understand that my tendency to have a stereotypically Humorless Feminist response to this isn't going to be shared by everyone, but maybe you could meet me halfway and not belittle my reaction by calling it handwringing?
― reddening, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 04:31 (ten years ago) link
I don't think he was belittling anyone specifically? There has been more than one person ITT criticizing the show, what makes you think he was singling you out?
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 04:51 (ten years ago) link
i know he's not singling me out, but i'm a participant in this collective "handwringing" and i think it's a shitty way to categorize a discussion about the depiction of rape.
― reddening, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 05:04 (ten years ago) link
Fair enough!
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 05:06 (ten years ago) link
If you're talking about daenerys, in the book their first time occurs after she requests not to have sex, then drogo rubs on her (sensually), and then the implication is that she's "into it" and they're good to go. which is pretty absurd and gross (she's 12-13 for one thing).
the comment of mine you replied to specifically says "after their first time". that aside, I don't have any problem with the point you raised wrt her age & ability to consent in the text (also the fact she was literally sold to him).
I feel really sorry for him.
So do I, and I hated his rape/castration scene and then all the subsequent jokes made about it (lol genital mutilation) but some people just can't get enough of those...
― gyac, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 09:07 (ten years ago) link
Thought the Theon/Ramsay scene was one of the best in episode 1 and that Ramsay is working out in ways he really shouldn't have.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 09:16 (ten years ago) link
Ramsay was really great in the dungeon scenes; felt like it overstepped into ham territory with his father though
― 龜, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 09:34 (ten years ago) link
littlefinger cracking me up so much after two lines i've had to pause it
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 22:42 (ten years ago) link
Can we call him Long John Littlefinger now since he fancies himself a pirate
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 22:47 (ten years ago) link
I'm with reddening. The bad taste in my mouth wrt this show has become too bitter to ignore.
― Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 23:15 (ten years ago) link
I feel like a bad person for not really feeling in any way remotely upset, annoyed or offended by any of the scenes in this show.
― 1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 23:38 (ten years ago) link
The notorious Buffy/Spike attempted rape in Season 6 is my personal line in the sand for this kind of stuff, and while I don't feel as strongly about this particular instance as I did about that, it still feels gross and unnecessary and has now taken me out of the show even more than the crazy amounts of boobage and whatever else
now granted I'm a hypocrite because I know I'll still watch the show...I kept watching buffy after that too...but now I'm just kinda along for the ride and consciously not invested in any kind of escapism that the show offered me before now. like, I have their number, I know there's an angle now, and it'll be a lot easier for me to dip out if I do eventually lose interest
idk
maybe that's not a very good explanation but
yeah, so that's me
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 00:00 (ten years ago) link
i can certainly sympathize with anyone offended by the show in general--it's basically packed with cravenly gratuitous violence and sex. we all draw that line where we will. but for me it's so pulpy and basically absurd that i can only be amused at it. it doesn't even really approach anything genuinely transgressive, in either a positive or negative sense.
wish they'd divert a little bit of the t&a budget to find a way to film a genuinely exciting action scene.
― ryan, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 00:19 (ten years ago) link
yeah. the big showdown with nu-Dany hunk guy was basically the opening of Troy. but it was also fairly well done and i like Troy so
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 00:22 (ten years ago) link
It was better! I did like that scene.
― ryan, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 00:23 (ten years ago) link
xxp:
Besides Daenarys and the surviving Starks, most characters have been presented as repugnant in some way. So none of their actions should be taken as an endorsement.
I suspect a depiction like GRRMs, and which the director failed to achieve (non-consensual advances that suddenly become consensual) would paint the screenwriter/showrunner in a worse light.
There's still a number of female characters with way more agency than their male counterparts, even if only a couple get to swing swords on the regular.
As for the token nudity, the show could stand more sexual equality. Perhaps we'll see Olenna Redwyne's nubile houseboys (guessing here, haven't read) ahould the show visit Highgarden.
― Congratulations! And my condolences. (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 00:23 (ten years ago) link
― 龜, Tuesday, April 22, 2014 5:34 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i think the dude who plays him is pretty lame, for one, he looks like every other dude around his age on the show, like exactly, and for two, yeah, ham city
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 04:31 (ten years ago) link
Ham City. Porktown. The Big Oinker. We all had names for the place. But what went down there was no side of bacon.
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 04:42 (ten years ago) link
Michael McElhatton is great as Roose, though, so that helps.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 04:47 (ten years ago) link
Yeah he has the perfect voice
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 04:50 (ten years ago) link
totally. ramsay should be more roosey.
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 14:00 (ten years ago) link
also this tweet is otm https://twitter.com/nicole_cliffe/status/458042660993789953
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 14:01 (ten years ago) link
Well, it's well-established that he's a bit of a doppleganger for Ted Leo
― Walter Galt, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 14:25 (ten years ago) link
well-established in all the best circles
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 14:54 (ten years ago) link
I don't mind Ramsay but at the same time roose has such a sinister creepy terence stamp thing going that he feels a bit lightweight in comparison.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 16:20 (ten years ago) link
The book definitely characterizes the Boltons/Bolton-Snows that way.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 16:39 (ten years ago) link
Littlefinger's accent has definitely become more ridiculous this season, right?
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 17:11 (ten years ago) link
Littlefinger was using the same tone of voice he used to deliver his "chaos is a ladder" speech - which may have been the last we saw of his character at the end of last season?
I remain unmoved by the 'rape' scene. It was grim, but in this show it didn't strike me as being something that stood out of place, particularly.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 17:28 (ten years ago) link
It seems even thicker than at the end of last season though.vIt's kind of puzzling that in the course of shooting his scenes no one is like "TIME OUT dude why are you talking like that?"
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 17:32 (ten years ago) link
i enjoy the weird accent. the show has made him much more of a pantomime villain and i am fully behind the theatre of it.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 17:46 (ten years ago) link
Inbetween last season and this, we watched the Wire, which has made Littlefinger all the more puzzling.
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:06 (ten years ago) link
Gillen is not a good actor. He just about got away with it in The Wire but he's been terrible (and bizarrely-accented) in everything he's done since then
― Number None, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:11 (ten years ago) link
i thought he was great in the wire!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:12 (ten years ago) link
Don't get me wrong, his accent, and acting in the Wire were both weird. I had no idea he was in it until the episode he appeared.
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:13 (ten years ago) link
he was great in Queer as Folk (which was obviously forever ago, but still)
― gyac, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:19 (ten years ago) link
I thought he was quite good in that Statham/Considine flick (the name of which escapes me). Ropey accent aside I think he's a very good Littlefinger.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 20:40 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, I think he's a great fit for Littlefinger. Just wish he could pick one accent.
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 20:40 (ten years ago) link
lol I hated this guy and his chicken-faced g/f in the Wire, he's only slightly less irritating here. such a silly actor.
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 20:41 (ten years ago) link
his silliness as littlefinger is kinda perfect for the role tbh. also you better not be talking abt my girl brandy burre.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 20:46 (ten years ago) link
his chicken-faced g/f in the Wire
If you are referring to D'Agostino then we should have words, outside.
― Call the Doctorb, the B is for Brownstein (Leee), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 20:49 (ten years ago) link
Brandy Burre in a blonde wig:http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/UbyKywWvlCE/maxresdefault.jpg
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 20:51 (ten years ago) link
shakey you really love to make fun of the way women look
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 20:53 (ten years ago) link