There's still something very cheap looking about the cgi to me. It looks too glossy or something, and the people are too symmetrical and move too smoothly.
― Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 01:33 (ten years ago) link
my son definitely sang along to "Let It Go" like he had never sang along to a song before, on like his 2nd viewing of the movie. that song has some kind of crazy grip on the young ones.
― some dude, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 02:12 (ten years ago) link
Funny, I've been thinking about this movie recently because of all the "OMG I CAN'T TAKE THESE FROZEN SONGS" from parents on my FB feed and elsewhere. I took my two sons (now 6 & 9) to it when it came out, and they really liked it but did not become obsessed with it (tho the youngest keeps asking to see it again). I thought it was not a very good movie -- felt sort of stapled together -- but I did think it was interesting. So dogged in its determination to flirt with and then invert the classic Disney princess tale -- the untelegraphed late-chapter evilness of Hans, the way Kristoff is set up to be the savior but then isn't. I'd like to think (wishfully, probably) that what draws girls in particular to it is that it is so much a girls' story. Even more than "Brave," which still revolved around the girl rebelling against being a proper princess. Anna and Elsa don't have any problem with being proper princesses, but they're also totally in charge. The men in the movie are all in supporting roles. The central conflict is between sisters -- and it's especially interesting that neither one is evil in the classic Disney style. Elsa is just afraid to be herself.
I don't know, the whole thing is clunky and problematic on a lot of fronts once you dig in a little. But it still seems like a significant phenomenon to me.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 02:27 (ten years ago) link
Thought that occurred:
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140409032203/frozen/images/8/8e/Kristoff.PNG
It's styled modernly, but dude totally has James Spader 80s hair
― Stephen King's Threaderstarter (kingfish), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 04:10 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, I appreciate all that stuff as the father of a daughter (xp) but at the same time I wish the female characters could do all that stuff while also not having grapefruit-sized eyes and stringbean-sized arms
― Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 04:41 (ten years ago) link
The vid for the song has like 205M+ views on YT so far.
― Stephen King's Threaderstarter (kingfish), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 04:42 (ten years ago) link
it just feels like there's still something very diminishing about the way the women are portrayed in these ostensibly modern strong-woman stories
― Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 04:43 (ten years ago) link
tbf I could say the same thing about Girls (in a metaphorical sense - obvs they have normal sized eyes and arms)
― Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 04:44 (ten years ago) link
i don't even have fully formed thoughts on this but something really bothers me about second-guessing why so many omg girls like this movie
like
i kind of want to just yell MAYBE IT ISN'T FOR YOU or something idk
it's kind of making me crazy but i can't really articulate any of it because I'm still feeling like a corny goob so
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 05:11 (ten years ago) link
That is one of the odder things, like yeah, the plot and character designs are heading in completely opposite directions.
― Stephen King's Threaderstarter (kingfish), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 06:02 (ten years ago) link
would have been an easier thread/stronger plot to maybe have focused more on elsa and make it a real inversion of the disney evil queen trope imo, as was we only got ten mins of her here and ten mins of her there and the rest was snapshots from other disney movies (oh look! that horse (again) oh look! quaint quasi-natives with a refreshingly detached outlook (again) oh look! our protagonist (gender irrelevant) has fallen in love in ten mins (again) BUT WAIT it was a TRICK oh look! tho it's ok she fell in love with another stranger instead, this time it took a whole night and he was a weird guy lived in the woods by himself oh well that's ok too i guess oh look! we've got conflict between siblings/friends that didn't make any sense but oh look! it got sorted there just before the end and we've all learned eh something.
― james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 09:07 (ten years ago) link
My daughter's obsession with Frozen in general and Let It Go in particular led me to write something about it the other week:
http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2014/apr/10/frozen-let-it-go-disney-hit-adolescent-lgbt-anthem
― What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 10:23 (ten years ago) link
Nice d/n resonance too
― james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 10:27 (ten years ago) link
xp Well after spending a few days stuck together going through a whole lot of dramatic events it's not really that unusual for people to develop feelings and kiss (he even asked permission!), and they didn't get engaged this time. Don't know why the siblings/friends conflict doesn't make any sense to you. And the story's moral of 'hey maybe locking away and keeping in check whatever makes you special or not like others is not the greatest idea' seems obvious enough and that works pretty well for me.
― abcfsk, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 11:23 (ten years ago) link
Nice essay DL!
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 11:31 (ten years ago) link
Elsa's journey is an interesting one. Scared of power leads to fuck you guys I got power which leads to I got power but lets not be a dick about it is a really strong and interesting moral and seems somehow more complex than the "be true to yourself" Shrekitudes I expected.
― DISMISSED AS CHANCE (NotEnough), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 13:48 (ten years ago) link
I had problems with her power. So, it's so powerful she can't control it, almost kills her sister, sends the village into eternal winter, OK. Never mind the fact that that seems like just the sort of thing you should lock away, when she finally snaps she seems to have no prob focusing her power enough to build a Fortress of Solitude and snow monster. Also, where did the power come from? Is she just a mutant? Deus ex trolls never quite explain. It's definitely more complex than "be yourself" because it's never quite explained. Is the problem not being able to control it? Is the problem suppressing it? Is the problem not loving her sister? Loving her too much? Suppressing her love so that she won't kill her?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 14:40 (ten years ago) link
I bet my daughter would have a great time watching Doc McStuffins with you guys.
― Darin, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 15:08 (ten years ago) link
I don't think I'm "second-guessing" anyone else's liking it so much as just saying I didn't like it?
― Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 21:30 (ten years ago) link
I mean there's just my "I personally didn't like it" level of not liking it, and then there's the more abstracted level of imagining what kind of messages I would like my daughter to get about women from movies in the future. The latter isn't really a big deal when it comes to a single film -- people get lots of different messages from lots of different kinds of media, and one movie doesn't make much difference, but since it's being touted as being some kind of great leap forward in the portrayal of women in Disney movies I guess I am kind of questioning that. But I certainly wouldn't "second-guess" anyone for liking it -- not everything has to send the right message.
― Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 21:37 (ten years ago) link
there are things are not very good and yet achieve massive popularity
there are also things which become culturally inescapable for a moment or two and then prove not to be epochal
there are also things which are really well marketed product which manage to incorporate their defense on nominally progressive grounds into their appeal as product
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 22:07 (ten years ago) link
kind of an undignified move to swipe the climax from brave, though
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 22:36 (ten years ago) link
weird, my daughter saw this movie with my mom and yet I have never heard this song
― PLATYPUS OF DOOM (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 22:45 (ten years ago) link
Holy shit! We have a friend whose young child is dying of cancer (which is of course horrible and heartbreaking). But she knows someone who knows Kristen Bell, and Bell not only called up her child as Princess Anna, but had Josh Gad call as Olaf, too! It's making me weepy even typing this. What an incredibly generous thing for them to do.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 00:12 (ten years ago) link
Awesome!
― Stephen King's Threaderstarter (kingfish), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 00:34 (ten years ago) link
wow, that is fantastic!!!
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 02:33 (ten years ago) link
omg
― kinder, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 08:49 (ten years ago) link
Awes
― james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 10:55 (ten years ago) link
Aw man, that is so wonderful!
― A Perfect Ratio of Choogle to Jam (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 14:17 (ten years ago) link
fwiw this movie has grown on me, if only by force. Good story, a lot of nice animation even though I still think the characters' faces look off, and even though the music has an irritating broadway sheen, the songs are very clever. Anyway, I have no choice! I have a two-year-old daughter.
― Hier Komme Die Warum Jetzt (Hurting 2), Thursday, 12 June 2014 14:29 (ten years ago) link
MAKE IT STOP! MAKE IT STOP!
― Hier Komme Die Warum Jetzt (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 02:04 (ten years ago) link
Over and over again in my head:
Anna: Actually we're not!Elsa: Whaddya mean you're not?Anna: I get the feeling you don't know!Elsa: What do I not know?Anna: Arrendelle's in deep deep deep deep SNOOOOOOW OHHHH OHHHHHHH!
― Hier Komme Die Warum Jetzt (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 02:05 (ten years ago) link
I enjoyed the second half a lot more, when they seemed to have got most of the singing out of their systems.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 02:09 (ten years ago) link
There is no relative greater or lesser "enjoyment" for me, it is simply the fabric of my waking hours
― Hier Komme Die Warum Jetzt (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 02:18 (ten years ago) link
thank god my niece is a Scooby Doody kinda gal
― dn/ac (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 06:57 (ten years ago) link
watched it for the first time at the weekend. loved it. some of the songs are maybe a little bit by the book - quite deliberate rip of "Defying Gravity" mainly. people who hate musicals are disgusting savages tbh.
― Naamloze vennootschap (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 07:35 (ten years ago) link
some of the animation set-pieces/painterly stills are tremendous too
and now away again before the curmudgeonly goths gather
― Naamloze vennootschap (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 07:38 (ten years ago) link
meh. I love musicals so less of yr blanket slurs.
― dn/ac (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 08:17 (ten years ago) link
obv then i wasn't referring to you
― Naamloze vennootschap (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 08:23 (ten years ago) link
thought you liked this anyway?
Hier Komme Die Warum Jetzt (Hurting 2) wrote this at 2014-06-17 02:05:18.000
Right there with you on this one.
― how's life, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 09:34 (ten years ago) link
Sometimes it's just a loop of "The picture of so-PHIS-tuh-cay-tehhhhd grayyyyyyce"
― Hier Komme Die Warum Jetzt (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 13:40 (ten years ago) link
I've watched this like 10 times, but I just realize last night that when Elsa leaves Arandelle, she's running on foot across ice, then Anna chases after her like five minutes later on a horse, but the next thing we know, Elsa's on top of the North Mountain and it takes Anna most of the movie to catch up to her. Weird timeline glitch.
― Immediate Follower (NA), Thursday, 3 July 2014 17:35 (ten years ago) link
Well, she loses the horse, wanders around for a while in the cold, getting chased by wolves probably set her back a few.
― how's life, Thursday, 3 July 2014 17:37 (ten years ago) link
But it seems like she should have caught up before any of that happened. Like in a couple of minutes.
― Immediate Follower (NA), Thursday, 3 July 2014 17:37 (ten years ago) link
iirc tho she was an ice queen by then so probably surfed her way up the mountain iceman style
― cpt navajo (darraghmac), Thursday, 3 July 2014 17:47 (ten years ago) link
also, anna is mocked for wanting to marry man she has just met, ends the film in love with 2nd man she has just met (like 24 hours later).
― wmlynch, Thursday, 3 July 2014 18:03 (ten years ago) link
this will have been noted upthread
― cpt navajo (darraghmac), Thursday, 3 July 2014 18:14 (ten years ago) link
Well Anna is mocked for planning to marry Hans immediately, which is different from being in love with someone.
― Immediate Follower (NA), Thursday, 3 July 2014 19:21 (ten years ago) link
There's a lot of time/space stuff that doesn't make sense to me in the movie. But yeah, we're probably just underestimating Elsa's magical icy steez.
― 'arry Goldman (Hurting 2), Thursday, 3 July 2014 19:24 (ten years ago) link