of course there's tension and irony in the Sopranos scene too, since it's staged and shot like someone is about to get murdered. I don't think anyone's about to get murdered in the Burger Chef (unless Pete brought his rifle)
xp
― Οὖτις, Monday, 19 May 2014 22:19 (ten years ago) link
Bob Benson stabs him to death in the Men's Room.
― Damnit Janet Weiss & The Riot Grrriel (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 19 May 2014 22:21 (ten years ago) link
One of the best things about Mad Men is the complicated relationship it has with fakeness. Because Don and Peggy dancing to My Way is fake as fuck - and they aren't going to have mended all their dificulties next week - but still it was so real. I love Bob Benson proposing to Joan, because in a way he is completely wrong and insensitive towards her, but in another way he is right. She says that he should choose love, but there is still like, forty years until that would be possible. She wants for them both to have something real, but his realness is so much more difficult than hers, so it's not really a fair comparison.
The show refuses to choose pat answers, so it has to return to these questions over and over to further complicate/refine them. It really frustrates me that so many people confuse that with the show going in circles or something like that.
― Frederik B, Monday, 19 May 2014 22:51 (ten years ago) link
yeah the pain of that scene goes way deeper than "Joan is lonely" or "it was hard being gay in the 60s", not least because each of these people has been repeatedly rejected and humiliated and stifled in the cruelest ways
― Οὖτις, Monday, 19 May 2014 23:23 (ten years ago) link
"Say what you will, but he's very loyal"
lol Don shilling for Harry after he got clued in
― a strange man (mh), Monday, 19 May 2014 23:42 (ten years ago) link
Swear Pete's girlfriend let rip with an unbleeped 'fuck' in this episode, first I've heard on Mad Men.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 00:15 (ten years ago) link
wasn't unbleeped
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 00:32 (ten years ago) link
at least not in my recollection
They've had a couple. I think the first came from Roger when Pete (& Don) lost that defense account.
― Damnit Janet Weiss & The Riot Grrriel (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 00:33 (ten years ago) link
Was unbleeped on my torrented copy, I went back and checked.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 00:36 (ten years ago) link
it was bleeped on AMC, unbleeped on my torrented copy as well. i thought that was odd.
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 20 May 2014 01:47 (ten years ago) link
It was masked on itunes.
― Damnit Janet Weiss & The Riot Grrriel (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 01:47 (ten years ago) link
Bleeped on AMC where I am.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 01:48 (ten years ago) link
Masked on iTunes :/
― a strange man (mh), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 02:42 (ten years ago) link
masked on my dvr
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 04:36 (ten years ago) link
Most of this show just washes over me lately but those last two scenes were pretty gold
Don & Peggy dancing didnt feel like a capitulation to me. It was both of them admitting exactly who and where they are & taking comfort in that. ...they just get to be real with each other one more time, like that night in the diner whenever it was a couple of seasons ago.
The new wrinkle is that this time around Don seems much smaller, Peggy bigger.
To me, anyway.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 04:43 (ten years ago) link
Bonnie's f-bomb goes uncensored on the Google Play version of the episode
― JRN, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 06:24 (ten years ago) link
xpost yeah it's the first time they've been able to talk to each other as equals, more or less.
Peggy stopped trying to assert herself in order to ask Don for help, Don admits that his life is a mess and that he's feeling insecure about everything.
― Roz, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 06:50 (ten years ago) link
last few eps have been great, this season at its peak has been as good as it's ever been.
i like how they faded My Way just as Frank was about to go into last verse crescendo mode.
since when were Megan and Peggy so happy to see each other? i sorta forgot they got along so well.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 11:19 (ten years ago) link
Didn't realise My Way was new in 69! I would've pegged it as at least a decade earlier somehow.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 12:39 (ten years ago) link
Not quite as big a hit as I'd have thought: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Year-End_Hot_100_singles_of_1969
― Cronk's Not Cronk (Eric H.), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 13:01 (ten years ago) link
So unusual for a male/female relationship (Don/Peggy) on TV to last this long without the show taking the easy way out.
― calstars, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 02:31 (ten years ago) link
Ron and Leslie on Parks & Rec is another really great platonic relationship.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 02:34 (ten years ago) link
It's not over yet.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 02:34 (ten years ago) link
Bob could still blow Don.
ha!
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 02:35 (ten years ago) link
As much sex as Don has, he still seems fairly vanilla. He branched out a little bit with the neighbor lady last year, but he was probably less into than she was.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 02:36 (ten years ago) link
And he wasn't super into the idea of the threesome at Megan's place in Cali, but hey...hard to turn down if it's happening.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 02:37 (ten years ago) link
He's into being slapped
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 02:40 (ten years ago) link
I don't see how a man like Don Draper could turn down Bob's request.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 02:43 (ten years ago) link
i'd take a bet on Don and Joan at this point; Don saying he has no-one, Joan saying she wants love. i mean..
http://unaffiliatedcritic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Don-Jon-Hamm-and-Joan-Christina-Hendricks.jpg
― piscesx, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 02:44 (ten years ago) link
Now that I think about it, he doesn't outright say "no" to much.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 02:45 (ten years ago) link
Joan and Don may have happened at one point, but I think after he was pretty flippant about cutting loose the client she had to sleep with to get her partnership, she's got zero time for anything Don in her life.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 02:46 (ten years ago) link
Right. Joan hates Don still and seems on the fast track to hating men in general.
― Cronk's Not Cronk (Eric H.), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 02:50 (ten years ago) link
actually yeah they've barely spoken since.
was that 'Sweet Charity' on the in-flight movie? it was a real blink-and-you-miss-it moment.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 02:51 (ten years ago) link
tasty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=814QdW4oDqI
― piscesx, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 04:12 (ten years ago) link
Given that title, something that should be but won't be part of that ep:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnHmBvMJPXo
― Damnit Janet Weiss & The Riot Grrriel (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 04:33 (ten years ago) link
Ted Chaough's had a lousy season thus far.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 04:45 (ten years ago) link
xp maybe this is the big time-jump we've been waiting for:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj_9CiNkkn4
― Cronk's Not Cronk (Eric H.), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 12:11 (ten years ago) link
i enjoy ted's misery tbh
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 13:16 (ten years ago) link
If the point is that Ted somehow somewhere became a halfway decent person and is paying the price for it, sure.
― Cronk's Not Cronk (Eric H.), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 13:36 (ten years ago) link
i never really found him to be halfway decent
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 13:39 (ten years ago) link
he's a real dick to Don at first
― famous instagram God (waterface), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 13:40 (ten years ago) link
ted jumping in on the speaker phone was a+ comedy
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 13:43 (ten years ago) link
No, I meant he used to be a grade-A asshole in the earlier seasons, but somewhere along the way during S6 he became only a B-minus dillweed.
― Cronk's Not Cronk (Eric H.), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 13:45 (ten years ago) link
he's slept with Peggy, he's married, he thinks he's better than all of them (because he doesn't drink or whatevs but he's not)
― famous instagram God (waterface), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 13:49 (ten years ago) link
The evolution of Peggy disengaging from Ted to her kind of dismissively loathing him has been enjoyable
― a strange man (mh), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 13:54 (ten years ago) link
ted is sympathetic though. good casting
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 14:02 (ten years ago) link
Yeah he just has a likable manner.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 14:08 (ten years ago) link
he projects intelligence in a good way. imo.
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 14:09 (ten years ago) link