Baz Luhrmann's Romeo + Juliet

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well to come around to my complaint one more time: yes BL is good at coming up with this amped-up mythic Florida, where all the details line up like "f:x Shk thing --> my thing." but the Shk things were different in kind and not just degree. film design is opaque, solid, visual, a little fussy, where location in Shk* was auditory, imagined, and transparent.

*but not costume! but these were all anachronistic as well ie no togas in julius caesar etc.

f--gg (gcannon), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:50 (nineteen years ago) link

brb, laundry! here is some blue, and some orange.

http://www.interinfo.co.jp/102a%20romeo+juliet.jpg

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:56 (nineteen years ago) link

er i really don't want to argue "faithfulness" to Shk here, i'm all turned around... BL can do what he wants, just not suck!!

theater is so wierd; more than any other artform the blueprint for performance is totally incomplete (ok well jazz standards too)

f--gg (gcannon), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 05:01 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, i was about to apologise for the faithfulness thing! it is my fault and unhelpful. I'm kinda unwilling to ask people "do you think this wld be a good movie if he'd made up the story" because of my whole 'R+J as aztec statue' take, but it's still basically what determines if one likes the movie, so maybe I should...

Shakespearian texts don't offer a blueprint for performance because they're not designed for performance, thoughmaybe? Beckett gives pretty strict directions, after all.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 05:42 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Is he still making an Alexander the Great movie? Why?

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think I could watch this in one go. Fifteen minute snippets, sure, just enough to digest the whole apocalyptic SoCal Leo-does-the-Bard thing, but more than that and I'd crack.

The Priest's Crucifix backpiece was a nice touch.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:33 (nineteen years ago) link

haha wonder if he sent oliver stone a thank you card.

g e o f f (gcannon), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Shakespearian texts don't offer a blueprint for performance because they're not designed for performance, thoughmaybe?

Isn't it that playwrights in Shakespeare's day weren't writing for multiple companies who could be producing the work anywhere, but for a specific troupe they'd be interacting with at the time of production?

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:38 (nineteen years ago) link

exit, persued by a bear.

plain as day!

g e o f f (gcannon), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Isn't it that playwrights in Shakespeare's day weren't writing for multiple companies who could be producing the work anywhere, but for a specific troupe they'd be interacting with at the time of production?

Yeah, exactly. I think what I actually meant by this was somethng like: 'The texts we call Shakespeare's Plays are records of performance, transcribed and printed for reading', but yeah, what you said.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyway let's anticapate UNTITLED ALEXANDER PROJECT!

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 12 May 2005 00:01 (nineteen years ago) link

three years pass...

i have a real soft spot for this movie

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, 9 March 2009 15:41 (fifteen years ago) link

I've never seen it, but Leo was way hotter as a downy androgyne than now.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 March 2009 15:46 (fifteen years ago) link

i like the idea that there is a difference between people who saw this and knew what florida was, so that it felt like a "modernizing" production, and people who saw this but really had no idea about florida and so the setting was as imaginary as Verona had been to shsksp's contemporaries.

c sharp major, Monday, 9 March 2009 17:23 (fifteen years ago) link

least favorite movie of all time

iatee, Monday, 9 March 2009 17:32 (fifteen years ago) link

(Luhrmann is gay, right?)
― Gravel Puzzleworth

he's not gay; i think his wife is his production designer.
― Amateur(ist)

Baz Luhrmann is like all the worst qualities of gay males without any of the redeeming qualities.

Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Monday, 9 March 2009 17:51 (fifteen years ago) link

wait, I thought that was me!

Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 March 2009 17:53 (fifteen years ago) link

i have a softspot for this movie too but it took me a while. was expecting too much when i first saw it, so i was disappointed.

young leo + young claire was great

Surmounter, Monday, 9 March 2009 17:55 (fifteen years ago) link

baz has only made 4 films. that's kinda weird, no?

Lovelace, Monday, 9 March 2009 18:20 (fifteen years ago) link

that pace accommodates his Kubrick-for-ADD-sufferers vision

Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 March 2009 18:54 (fifteen years ago) link

um, guys, i own that movie. why don't you all come over and we'll watch it and reminisce about high school?

catherine martin (luhrman's wife) is the reason his movies look so good.

yur twit (tehresa), Monday, 9 March 2009 20:02 (fifteen years ago) link

i think danes is really annoying in this movie, but it's one of my favorite leo performances.

yur twit (tehresa), Monday, 9 March 2009 20:03 (fifteen years ago) link

so glad u like this movie tz, i thought i would be the only one

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, 9 March 2009 20:05 (fifteen years ago) link

I suspect I wd prefer the Ethan Hawke Hamlet (which really is good)

Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 March 2009 20:10 (fifteen years ago) link

if you are fucking with me i will punch u
xpost

yur twit (tehresa), Monday, 9 March 2009 20:15 (fifteen years ago) link

uhhh im the one that revived it homie

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, 9 March 2009 20:16 (fifteen years ago) link

maybe it was 'ironic'?

yur twit (tehresa), Monday, 9 March 2009 20:21 (fifteen years ago) link

never, i totally dig on this movie

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, 9 March 2009 20:24 (fifteen years ago) link

will ride for this all day tbh

been HOOS, where yyyou steene!? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 9 March 2009 20:36 (fifteen years ago) link

totally didn't realize paul rudd was in this

sonderborg, Monday, 9 March 2009 21:24 (fifteen years ago) link

Anyway let's anticapate UNTITLED ALEXANDER PROJECT!

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:01 AM (3 years ago) Bookmark

lol

been HOOS, where yyyou steene!? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 9 March 2009 21:30 (fifteen years ago) link

love this movie

Dane Cook's Illustrated (I DIED), Monday, 9 March 2009 21:50 (fifteen years ago) link

really fantastic production design

Dane Cook's Illustrated (I DIED), Monday, 9 March 2009 21:51 (fifteen years ago) link

yes!!

yur twit (tehresa), Monday, 9 March 2009 22:07 (fifteen years ago) link

more haters need to come out and express their hate for this amazingly hateable movie

it's like the worst music video ever made or something

iatee, Monday, 9 March 2009 22:22 (fifteen years ago) link

i hate this.

Blackout Crew are the Beatles of donk (jim), Monday, 9 March 2009 22:30 (fifteen years ago) link

prefer the comic

s1ocki, Monday, 9 March 2009 22:31 (fifteen years ago) link

in theory baz luhrmann's other movies could also be the worst movie ever made

but I am never going to watch them

iatee, Monday, 9 March 2009 22:32 (fifteen years ago) link

you are the donk of baz luhrmann

been HOOS, where yyyou steene!? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 9 March 2009 22:34 (fifteen years ago) link

Strictly Ballroom is actually pretty good.

Alex in SF, Monday, 9 March 2009 22:35 (fifteen years ago) link

i'm quite amazed to hear that Luhrmann is not gay.

He was, one understands, gay before the marriage. And still declines to identify as straight.

Bernard's Butter (sic), Monday, 9 March 2009 22:56 (fifteen years ago) link

He was, one understands, gay before the marriage. And still declines to identify as straight.

Actually I find this radically defensible.

Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 15:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Which means I am all the worst qualities of gay males without any of the good ones.

Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 15:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Baz is the Tom Robinson of Aussie auteurs

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 15:43 (fifteen years ago) link

i like the idea that there is a difference between people who saw this and knew what florida was, so that it felt like a "modernizing" production, and people who saw this but really had no idea about florida and so the setting was as imaginary as Verona had been to shsksp's contemporaries

I know where Florida is, motherfucker.

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 15:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Strictly Ballroom is actually pretty good.

cosign, easily my fave of his movies

Wes HI DEREson (HI DERE), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 15:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Moulin Rouge! has some great set pieces but doesn't hang together for me.

Wes HI DEREson (HI DERE), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 15:50 (fifteen years ago) link

I suspect I wd prefer the Ethan Hawke Hamlet (which really is good)

― Dr Morbius,

omg gtfo

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 21:18 (fifteen years ago) link

It is!

Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 21:38 (fifteen years ago) link

it is pretty good

been HOOS, where yyyou steene!? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 21:58 (fifteen years ago) link

what a great film
ages well
time to rewatch

Swen, Monday, 18 March 2024 07:25 (two months ago) link


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