who doesn't love a good juicy manifesto amirite
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 25 May 2014 02:54 (ten years ago) link
In January, officials said, Rodger accused his roommate of stealing three candles worth $22 and performed a citizen's arrest. The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department eventually arrested the roommate and booked him on petty theft charges.Last summer, he accused several people of assaulting him. But investigators concluded he was the aggressor in the incident and a detective suspended the case.
Last summer, he accused several people of assaulting him. But investigators concluded he was the aggressor in the incident and a detective suspended the case.
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 25 May 2014 03:27 (ten years ago) link
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-isla-vista-shooting-suspect-feared-police-visit-would-foil-attack-20140524-story.html
He was eventually found dead of a gunshot wound to the head that appeared to be elf-inflicted.
sometimes, you have to find some comedy in the darkness.
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 25 May 2014 03:29 (ten years ago) link
I hate how cnn/everyone blames the parents.
His parents fucking <b>reported him</b> way before all this. Do you know what that takes as a parent?
What else were they "supposed to do"??
― Dreamland, Sunday, 25 May 2014 03:46 (ten years ago) link
....and fuck bbcode while we're at it
― Dreamland, Sunday, 25 May 2014 03:47 (ten years ago) link
I don't know. The parents probably live near by. If they don't, they can afford to come out. Maybe they did. Not blaming them, but I don't think 'reporting' your child is the ultimate effort.
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 25 May 2014 03:50 (ten years ago) link
but it sounds like their son was not well. I'm sure it's difficult.
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 25 May 2014 03:52 (ten years ago) link
He seems to be somewhat charismatic in fooling authority. He maybe fooled his parents too?
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 25 May 2014 03:53 (ten years ago) link
actually reporting your child isn't just making a phone call, it's an agonizing process.
― Now I Am Become Dracula (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 25 May 2014 04:01 (ten years ago) link
You mean the process behind making the decision? Or the actual process of reporting?
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 25 May 2014 04:02 (ten years ago) link
I'd imagine all of it
― Spottie, Sunday, 25 May 2014 04:10 (ten years ago) link
yeah, I can imagine as well. I'm still not sure that it represents evidence for "we've done all that we can do". I think that remains an open question. But then again I'm not trying to blame the parents, and I'm doing a bad job of that here. so I'll just shut up about it.
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 25 May 2014 04:18 (ten years ago) link
yeah who knows. lots of factors.
― Spottie, Sunday, 25 May 2014 04:23 (ten years ago) link
agreed
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 25 May 2014 04:25 (ten years ago) link
it must be so hard on parents whose child HAS had problems/been in therapy/etc & then something completely horrific like this happens. You've got your kid treatment etc & that becomes an admission after the fact, like suddenly everyone's all "AHA! so you knew something was wrong!" as though they were complicit. you can't win
I mean, look at Newtown & all the side-eye directed at his Mom when by all accounts now there was barely a thing she *didn't* do for her already-disturbed son
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 25 May 2014 04:31 (ten years ago) link
idk
i think about that shit alot, what parents of these kids are up against for, well, foreseeably the rest of their lives
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 25 May 2014 04:32 (ten years ago) link
yeah, parenthood is a roll of the dice no doubt.
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 25 May 2014 04:37 (ten years ago) link
Everybody loves a scapegoat. It makes it so we don't have to devote much thought to difficult issues like mental health and guns
― building a desert (art), Sunday, 25 May 2014 04:38 (ten years ago) link
no-one likes the muddy greys
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 25 May 2014 04:46 (ten years ago) link
Someone close to me was on the verge of suicide because he was still a virgin at age 23, it was quite painful to watch really. He was very creepy and could be scary at times, he didn't know how to act around girls and could be quite rude about in social situations. The pressure to get laid was such that it devolved into alcoholism and depression. Now he has a pretty great girlfriend and is doing good. Some dudes are creeps because they were never really given a proper education about sexuality and womanhood. What I'm trying to say is: usually, when I hear about those events I get really angry at the NRA for allowing guns to circulate so easily. However, this time I'm extremely angry at this sexist culture that leads to sentence like 'They have starved me of sex for my entire youth, and gave that pleasure to other men. In doing so, they took many years of my life away.' of ours.
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 25 May 2014 05:48 (ten years ago) link
it is sexist, but it's something else, too. like the word "sexist" doesn't seem large enough to encompass what's going on here - maybe only because sexism isn't accorded (by some/many) the validity and profundity of racism. "misogyny" gets closer to the truth. i dunno, PUA/misandry culture seems like a combination of intense sexism/misogyny and a virulent but unacknowledged, externalized self-loathing. like, "bitches suck and the whole world sucks because i embrace yet cannot accept the extent to which i think i suck." i'm probably splitting hairs...
― riot grillz (contenderizer), Sunday, 25 May 2014 06:13 (ten years ago) link
yeah, i can't help but wonder whether this would have happened if dude hadn't subscribed to the bitter, misogynistic, MRA way of thinking, which divides men into "alphas" and "betas" and reduces women to sex objects. was he unable to empathize because he was a psychopath or because he saw the world through an ideological prism that was inherently dehumanizing? and why are so many people drawn to this shit? this last question seems critical to me. i remember the VA Tech killer, while not a PUA/MRA, was similar in that he felt this profound sense of rejection and believed himself to be thoroughly exiled from humanity. he had a similarly maladaptive, toxic way of thinking about himself and the world. i don't know anything but it seems like the question of school shooters concerns is more complicated than just the (very critical) issues of gun control and mental health access. i always end up thinking there is some cultural sickness that these men (they're almost always men) are just symptomatic of.
― Treeship, Sunday, 25 May 2014 06:18 (ten years ago) link
*should read "question of school shooters". concerns was a word from an earlier draft i forgot to delete.
― Treeship, Sunday, 25 May 2014 06:20 (ten years ago) link
i feel like our objectification of women makes this sort-of thing possible, creates the fantasy world where these unrealistic and negative beliefs about people are possible. but it also takes being whacked out of your mind to make it real. where individual pathology links up to cultural beliefs and becomes its own beast.
even beyond sexism it could be consumerism where being served and convenienced with the finest of pleasures is a sign of personal worth, with other people as the objects (women, friends, etc.) and failure of that is a failure of the entire self. etc. etc. it's one of those complex situations that can't be summed up in a pithy statement.
― Spectrum, Sunday, 25 May 2014 06:25 (ten years ago) link
This was a hate crime. Against women.
― Popture, Sunday, 25 May 2014 06:57 (ten years ago) link
yeah. no argument. i suppose i'm wondering aloud where this shit comes from, whether or not it's built into the conventional construction of the "masculine". not that origin matters much in the final analysis...
― riot grillz (contenderizer), Sunday, 25 May 2014 07:02 (ten years ago) link
amateurist, that's probably due to the sheer amount of people posting stuff like this on youtube and the lack of time and resources police have to analyse it?― cardamon, Sunday, May 25, 2014
― cardamon, Sunday, May 25, 2014
or could be because the police don't give a shit about violence against women/are complicit in it? someone posted above that they followed up the parents' report and spoke to him but did nothing because he was 'nice' or 'well spoken'.
― My god. Pure ideology. (ey), Sunday, 25 May 2014 07:11 (ten years ago) link
and rich
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 25 May 2014 08:24 (ten years ago) link
Yup
― cardamon, Sunday, 25 May 2014 13:22 (ten years ago) link
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, May 24, 2014 11:32 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
right now (before this happened) i'd been reading the chapter of andrew solomon's far from the tree about kids who commit crimes and it (like the rest of the book) has been super illuminating. sadly germane to this tragedy too. solomon's compassionate and insightful interview with peter lanza is what led me to buy the book. would def recommend.
― funch dressing (La Lechera), Sunday, 25 May 2014 13:49 (ten years ago) link
haven't finished that book but it's just incredibly moving
― schlump, Sunday, 25 May 2014 14:18 (ten years ago) link
I read various parts of his bio last night, he wasn't actually that rich
― iatee, Sunday, 25 May 2014 14:24 (ten years ago) link
e.g. one of his strategies was to buy lotto tickets because if he became a millionaire girls would love him, that strategy failed when he did not win the lotto
― iatee, Sunday, 25 May 2014 14:25 (ten years ago) link
the extent of his actual wealth is probably immaterial. his parents are rich enough that he was able to cash in on the implicit trust that for some reason wealth provides when dealing with law enforcement/authority generally
― building a desert (art), Sunday, 25 May 2014 14:35 (ten years ago) link
I mean maybe but it wasn't immaterial as far as his psychology went, when his parents divorced his mom had to move from a house to an apt building, and his dad at that point was in financial crisis from putting all his money into his own failed movie
― iatee, Sunday, 25 May 2014 15:02 (ten years ago) link
like he's spending all this money on rich people signals and confused by the fact that $300 sunglasses don't seem to change strangers' opinions on him
― iatee, Sunday, 25 May 2014 15:04 (ten years ago) link
I don't think this guy was a true psycho in the james holmes sense, he was just super awkward, pretty dumb, extremely lonely. he was entitled in the 'he felt like he shouldn't have to do retail jobs' sense but he was not entitled in the winklevoss sense.
so much of his behavior was just copycat - dressing 'cool', doing a Hollywood villain laugh, even the act of 'going on a rampage' was what he thought bitter and unhappy people are supposed to do.
― iatee, Sunday, 25 May 2014 15:14 (ten years ago) link
he certainly felt entitled to take innocent lives
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 25 May 2014 15:20 (ten years ago) link
oh great. A video from the deli now. What is wrong with people?
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 25 May 2014 15:24 (ten years ago) link
one of his problems seemed to have been his demand for being included in a certain type of world. Like he didn't want to just be a normal kid, he wanted to drive the BMW and sleep with the sorority girls and be popular. he must've got it in his head sometime years ago and never let go of it.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Sunday, 25 May 2014 15:43 (ten years ago) link
spending about 10 minutes looking into MRAs and 'the red pill movement' (all of this shit is fairly new to me) and falling into a horrible cirlce of weird bizarre youtube crazy crap I'm inclined to think the internet is a shit place that just amplifies gives credence to narcissistic and psychotic traits and people should probably need a license to use it.
― akm, Sunday, 25 May 2014 15:54 (ten years ago) link
t bomb
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 25 May 2014 15:59 (ten years ago) link
ban all men from the internet
― Mordy, Sunday, 25 May 2014 16:01 (ten years ago) link
think this wd help make ILX loads better tbh
― smooth hymnal (m bison), Sunday, 25 May 2014 16:02 (ten years ago) link
Ban all men from maybe 15-24. Just put them on ice for long enough til they stop stressing so much about their gonads.
― how's life, Sunday, 25 May 2014 16:31 (ten years ago) link
he must've got it in his head sometime years ago and never let go of it.
things that haunt me when i can see them happening ^^^
― funch dressing (La Lechera), Sunday, 25 May 2014 16:33 (ten years ago) link
This is so frustrating. Unhealthy ideas really can kill people. What could have been effective in changing this kid's mind? How do you change a mind that has been so twisted by bitterness and loathing? Why do some men, why do *any men at all,* fall prey to the idea that they are not only entitled to women's bodies, but entitled to violence if they don't get what they want? How do I do my part as a man to gather up all the scuzzy residue of this idea and destroy it for good?
Not looking for literal answers to all these questions, mostly just need to vent.
― zchyrs, Sunday, 25 May 2014 17:52 (ten years ago) link
Time to repeal the 2nd amendment. Should be a longterm goal of the left and dealt with as such.
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 25 May 2014 18:11 (ten years ago) link
I don't think this guy was a true psycho in the james holmes sense
"true psycho" oddly not a recognized dx by the DSM-IV
― Now I Am Become Dracula (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 25 May 2014 18:35 (ten years ago) link
was he unable to empathize because he was a psychopath
apparently, he was unable to empathize because he was autistic. empathy is not really available to the autistic, except intellectually. so, even if he'd been taught what kind of behavior was socially acceptable, his intellect had become corrupted by the worldview of a bunch of jerkwads.
― king of chin-stroking banality (Aimless), Sunday, 25 May 2014 18:39 (ten years ago) link