The shooting reminds me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Cyprus_terrorist_plot
In the months preceding the disruption of the terrorist plot in Cyprus, Hezbollah and Iran were implicated in terrorist attacks and plots against Israeli targets in Thailand, India, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Kenya.[1] On July 18, eleven days after Yaakoub was arrested, five Israeli tourists and a Bulgarian citizen were killed in a suicide bombing in Burgas, Bulgaria. The Bulgarian government implicated Hezbollah in the attack.[2]
― Mordy, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 16:09 (ten years ago) link
There may be a slight "move along, nothing to see here, everyone's safe, it's just secret spy stuff, you know what they're like" tone about the reporting here - before, it was all "(muslim?) terrorism - stay out of museums and jewish-themed places everywhere because we don't have a clue what's going on and everyone may be in danger".
― StanM, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 16:17 (ten years ago) link
Sounds like (some) Belgians find it hard to accept that something like this can happen there, so they're happy to grasp the "it was spy stuff all along, not anti-semitism" straw.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 16:42 (ten years ago) link
i doubt anybody really knows exactly what happened yet
― display name changed. (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 16:49 (ten years ago) link
there have been more than enough egregious crimes in belgium over the years
strangely enough someone was arrested over the unsolved brabant massacres only a couple of weeks ago
http://www.rtbf.be/info/societe/detail_peut-on-dire-que-l-on-tient-l-un-des-tueurs-du-brabant?id=8270916
― Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 16:49 (ten years ago) link
yeah, i wouldn't suggest that i know exactly what happened. just that the facts of the case - 2 tourists that have done accounting for the israeli government being shot by a pro in a jewish museum in brussels - is not enough to responsibly speculate about spies + espionage.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 16:51 (ten years ago) link
This dude otm
http://m.washingtonpost.com/politics/father-of-victim-in-santa-barbara-shootings-to-politicians-i-dont-care-about-your-sympathy/2014/05/27/8a030d10-e5ad-11e3-a86b-362fd5443d19_story.html?tid=HP_more
gonna go buy some postcards
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 18:10 (ten years ago) link
that guy otm.
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 18:13 (ten years ago) link
Those truth bombs hurt so much, because a bunch of fuckers in this country all but guarantee nothing will come of this. Fuckers in Congress, fuckers in and around every (mostly empty and scary) state in this fucked up country, fuckers who elect the former to office and the fuckers who vote for them.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 18:22 (ten years ago) link
I'm fairly confident that current makeup of cali legislature will pass something. And we already have the strictest gun laws in the country. This is well shy of the larger more important goal, obviously, but still.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 18:29 (ten years ago) link
xp so otm and inspiring
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 18:33 (ten years ago) link
I'm fairly confident that current makeup of cali legislature will pass something. And we already have the strictest gun laws in the country. This is well shy of the larger more important goal, obviously, but still.― Οὖτις, Tuesday, May 27, 2014 1:29 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, May 27, 2014 1:29 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
they can pass something, but will it survive a court challenge is the question. look what happened in chicago.
also mr. martinez has a lot of courage and is very much otm.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:03 (ten years ago) link
Idk but lets find out.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:11 (ten years ago) link
^^^
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:19 (ten years ago) link
I've said it elsewhere, but there is nothing more disheartening than going to my kids' elementary school and seeing a gun decal in the window with a little slash through it. Because, you know, not allowing guns in an elementary school is the exception, not the rule, right? See also: bookstores, playgrounds, restaurants and dozens of other places I pass every single day that remind me that the world is full of horrible, selfish assholes.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:23 (ten years ago) link
joe the plumber: "your dead kids don't trump my constitutional rights"
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/joe-the-plumber-wurzelbacher-ucsb-shooting-dead-kids
suck it libtards
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:24 (ten years ago) link
The most amazing thing about that is that those are his actual words.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:25 (ten years ago) link
ah, the has-been/clickfarm symbiosis economy at work
― goole, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:25 (ten years ago) link
dismissing rednecks doesn't make them go away. these are the thoughts of tens of millions of americans
I am sorry you lost your child. I myself have a son and daughter and the one thing I never want to go through, is what you are going through now. But:
As harsh as this sounds - your dead kids don't trump my Constitutional rights.
Richard Martinez, whose son (Christopher) was among the murdered, choked back tears at a news conference, blaming politicians the next day: "The talk about gun rights. What about Chris' right to live?" Martinez said - and much more.
There are no critical words for a grieving father. He can say whatever he wants and blame whoever he'd like - it's okay by me. You can't take a step in his shoes - at least I can't.
But the words and images of Mr. Martinez blaming "the proliferation of guns", lobbyists, politicians, etc.; will be exploited by gun-grab extremists as are all tragedies involving gun violence and the mentally ill by the anti-Second Amendment Left.
As a father, husband and a man, it is my responsibility to protect my family. I will stand up for that right vehemently. Please believe me, as a father I share your grief and I will pray for you and your family, as I do whenever I hear about senseless tragedies such as this.
We still have the Right to Bear Arms and I intend to continue to speak out for that right, and against those who would restrict it - even in the face of this horrible incident by this sad and insane individual. I almost said "Obama Voter" but I'm waiting for it to be official.
I noticed the mainstream media have stopped the practice of immediately reporting the psycho maniac is a conservative Tea Party Republican Christian. Guess they're sick of having to hide being wrong every time when it comes out the whacko votes Democrat?
Mr. Martinez and anyone calling for more restrictions on American's rights need to back off and stop playing into the hands of the folks who merely capitalize on these horrific events for their own political ends.
They don't care about your family or your dead children at all. They sound like they do, whereas I sound uncaring and like I say, harsh. Don't be fooled - I care about your family and mine. The future of our very liberty lies in the balance of this fight.
In conclusion, I cannot begin to imagine the pain you are going through, having had your child taken away from you. However, any feelings you have toward my rights being taken away from me, lose those.
the right to misuse apostrophes shall not be infringed!
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:31 (ten years ago) link
I don't think he's called for the banning of guns, anyway
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:35 (ten years ago) link
any gun legislation will be sold as "the banning of guns" though of course
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:36 (ten years ago) link
They don't care about your family or your dead children at all. They sound like they do, whereas I sound uncaring and like I say, harsh. Don't be fooled - I care about your family and mine.
war is peace
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:39 (ten years ago) link
very tempted to tell Mr. Plumber exactly HOW he can have his precious guns, but that wouldn't be very productive.
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:44 (ten years ago) link
Time to embrace gun-grab extremism. The other side already paints our position that way no matter what, might as well just go there.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:45 (ten years ago) link
xp: who knows, after nine months he might give birth to a beautiful baby butt-gun
― On-the-spot Dicespin (DJP), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:46 (ten years ago) link
Trying to be more nuanced or compromising or whatever has obviously failed. Why concede their rhetorical point about the left having a hidden agenda? Be honest about our agenda, fuck the 2nd amendment, yes I am coming to take your guns away. Lets find out how useless they actually are against our cryptofascist police forces after all, the najority of whom strongly support gun control.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:49 (ten years ago) link
Tons of gun owners going out in death-by-cop infinitely preferable to dead innocent kids imo
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:50 (ten years ago) link
I don't think "the second amendment is more important than the lives of our children" is a v persuasive bit of phrasing
― ogmor, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:06 (ten years ago) link
no, it's sociopathic and bizarre. the 2nd amendment is a law and there are lots of laws that are stupid and have been repealed. it's not some unalienable right. WTF.
― akm, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:16 (ten years ago) link
my favorite part of Veep this season was when she told the finnish lady "the 2nd amendment is a problem" which, let's face it, it is.
heaven forbid anyone say that though
i don't advocate confiscating guns. i advocate arming prisoners. after all, we can't take away the right to freedom of speech just because someone's in jail
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:28 (ten years ago) link
I have had to explain the whole US gun-culture thing to two foreigners today in the aftermath of the UCSB shootings. which is hard b/c I don't really understand it myself.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:36 (ten years ago) link
frontier culture
― Mordy, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:42 (ten years ago) link
I think it goes beyond the Richard Slotkin type of thesis but that's a big part of it.
― ryan, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:44 (ten years ago) link
rugged individualism, fear of black ppl + indigenous population, political mythologies of revolution against tyranny, hunting culture, frontierism... gun fetishism is kinda the most explicable of america's faults!
― Mordy, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:48 (ten years ago) link
http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this,36131/
― caek, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:52 (ten years ago) link
fear of black ppl
Ironically, it was exactly this that spurred Reagan to sign gun control measures in California in the late 60s:http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/the-secret-history-of-guns/308608/?single_page=true
Republicans in California eagerly supported increased gun control. Governor Reagan told reporters that afternoon that he saw “no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.” He called guns a “ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will.” In a later press conference, Reagan said he didn’t “know of any sportsman who leaves his home with a gun to go out into the field to hunt or for target shooting who carries that gun loaded.” The Mulford Act, he said, “would work no hardship on the honest citizen.”
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:58 (ten years ago) link
rugged individualism, fear of black ppl + indigenous population, political mythologies of revolution against tyranny, hunting culture, frontierism... gun fetishism is kinda the most explicable of america's faults!― Mordy, Tuesday, May 27, 2014 3:48 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Mordy, Tuesday, May 27, 2014 3:48 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that's a lot to unpack, actually!
― display name changed. (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:58 (ten years ago) link
ban men
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:58 (ten years ago) link
xpost
for a foreigner, I mean.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:59 (ten years ago) link
humankind, especially americans, are the deadliest animals alive
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 21:33 (ten years ago) link
but also... the most dangerous game?
― display name changed. (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 22:25 (ten years ago) link
Loving this.
― Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 22:31 (ten years ago) link
the amazing race
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 23:43 (ten years ago) link
I dunno, is this legit?
http://atlasleft.org/tea-party-trolls-ammosexual-misogynistic-tweets-will-piss-you-off-images/
― satanic mess (brownie), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 00:24 (ten years ago) link
for kincannon that's actually fairly respectful
― balls, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 00:39 (ten years ago) link
man
― satanic mess (brownie), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 00:39 (ten years ago) link
south carolina since its founding has been the most reliable source of toxic politics in america
― balls, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 00:44 (ten years ago) link
and they still fly the confederate flag at the capital building
― building a desert (art), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 01:19 (ten years ago) link