any gun legislation will be sold as "the banning of guns" though of course
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:36 (ten years ago) link
They don't care about your family or your dead children at all. They sound like they do, whereas I sound uncaring and like I say, harsh. Don't be fooled - I care about your family and mine.
war is peace
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:39 (ten years ago) link
very tempted to tell Mr. Plumber exactly HOW he can have his precious guns, but that wouldn't be very productive.
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:44 (ten years ago) link
Time to embrace gun-grab extremism. The other side already paints our position that way no matter what, might as well just go there.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:45 (ten years ago) link
xp: who knows, after nine months he might give birth to a beautiful baby butt-gun
― On-the-spot Dicespin (DJP), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:46 (ten years ago) link
Trying to be more nuanced or compromising or whatever has obviously failed. Why concede their rhetorical point about the left having a hidden agenda? Be honest about our agenda, fuck the 2nd amendment, yes I am coming to take your guns away. Lets find out how useless they actually are against our cryptofascist police forces after all, the najority of whom strongly support gun control.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:49 (ten years ago) link
Tons of gun owners going out in death-by-cop infinitely preferable to dead innocent kids imo
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 19:50 (ten years ago) link
I don't think "the second amendment is more important than the lives of our children" is a v persuasive bit of phrasing
― ogmor, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:06 (ten years ago) link
no, it's sociopathic and bizarre. the 2nd amendment is a law and there are lots of laws that are stupid and have been repealed. it's not some unalienable right. WTF.
― akm, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:16 (ten years ago) link
my favorite part of Veep this season was when she told the finnish lady "the 2nd amendment is a problem" which, let's face it, it is.
heaven forbid anyone say that though
i don't advocate confiscating guns. i advocate arming prisoners. after all, we can't take away the right to freedom of speech just because someone's in jail
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:28 (ten years ago) link
I have had to explain the whole US gun-culture thing to two foreigners today in the aftermath of the UCSB shootings. which is hard b/c I don't really understand it myself.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:36 (ten years ago) link
frontier culture
― Mordy, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:42 (ten years ago) link
I think it goes beyond the Richard Slotkin type of thesis but that's a big part of it.
― ryan, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:44 (ten years ago) link
rugged individualism, fear of black ppl + indigenous population, political mythologies of revolution against tyranny, hunting culture, frontierism... gun fetishism is kinda the most explicable of america's faults!
― Mordy, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:48 (ten years ago) link
http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this,36131/
― caek, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:52 (ten years ago) link
fear of black ppl
Ironically, it was exactly this that spurred Reagan to sign gun control measures in California in the late 60s:http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/the-secret-history-of-guns/308608/?single_page=true
Republicans in California eagerly supported increased gun control. Governor Reagan told reporters that afternoon that he saw “no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.” He called guns a “ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will.” In a later press conference, Reagan said he didn’t “know of any sportsman who leaves his home with a gun to go out into the field to hunt or for target shooting who carries that gun loaded.” The Mulford Act, he said, “would work no hardship on the honest citizen.”
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:58 (ten years ago) link
rugged individualism, fear of black ppl + indigenous population, political mythologies of revolution against tyranny, hunting culture, frontierism... gun fetishism is kinda the most explicable of america's faults!― Mordy, Tuesday, May 27, 2014 3:48 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Mordy, Tuesday, May 27, 2014 3:48 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that's a lot to unpack, actually!
― display name changed. (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:58 (ten years ago) link
ban men
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:58 (ten years ago) link
xpost
for a foreigner, I mean.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:59 (ten years ago) link
humankind, especially americans, are the deadliest animals alive
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 21:33 (ten years ago) link
but also... the most dangerous game?
― display name changed. (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 22:25 (ten years ago) link
Loving this.
― Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 22:31 (ten years ago) link
the amazing race
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 23:43 (ten years ago) link
I dunno, is this legit?
http://atlasleft.org/tea-party-trolls-ammosexual-misogynistic-tweets-will-piss-you-off-images/
― satanic mess (brownie), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 00:24 (ten years ago) link
for kincannon that's actually fairly respectful
― balls, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 00:39 (ten years ago) link
man
― satanic mess (brownie), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 00:39 (ten years ago) link
south carolina since its founding has been the most reliable source of toxic politics in america
― balls, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 00:44 (ten years ago) link
and they still fly the confederate flag at the capital building
― building a desert (art), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 01:19 (ten years ago) link
i blame andrew johnson
― display name changed. (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 01:49 (ten years ago) link
http://www.policymic.com/articles/89953/elliot-rodger-s-internet-history-reveals-something-more-sinister-than-just-misogyny
― 龜, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 03:39 (ten years ago) link
wait why is racism more sinister than misogyny.
― wat is teh waht (s.clover), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 04:12 (ten years ago) link
racism+misogyny is more sinister than misogyny alone
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 04:24 (ten years ago) link
here I was thinking they cancelled each other out.
― ryan, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 04:32 (ten years ago) link
http://thechrisgethardshow.tumblr.com/post/87041806996/overcome-your-programming-and-be-a-better-man
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 04:41 (ten years ago) link
that is about the closest to otm thing I have read so far
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 05:07 (ten years ago) link
forgive me if this comes off as provincial or whatever but i think malcolm harris has cool stuff to say sometimes and i'm curious for his inevitable al jazeera column on this, for people in the larger-scale press he usually hits intersectional stuff on the nose ime
― purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 05:10 (ten years ago) link
re: Chris Gethard, apparently he went to my high school, probably just 4 years behind me. Noticed him popping up on friends facebook pages when he started getting known for improv stuff and been seeing him increasingly more and more on tv and whatnot. I think he's gonna get real famous soon, comedy-wise, though this post is getting a lot of attention.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 05:12 (ten years ago) link
i cannot read any more about this. i'm done.
― macklin' rosie (crüt), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 09:55 (ten years ago) link
I don't know who Chris Gerhard is but that is excellent
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 10:48 (ten years ago) link
Wish he'd stop saying 'stick to your guns' tho
― kinder, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 11:43 (ten years ago) link
lol he quotes the chorus of The The's Lonely Planet almost verbatim
― English cunt read Guardian (imago), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 11:52 (ten years ago) link
yeah stick to your guns not the greatest choice of words
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 14:30 (ten years ago) link
The Gethard post lost me when he got to "no one was ever out to get me" because, especially for black people, sometimes "they" is a real thing and "they" actually ARE out to get you.
― On-the-spot Dicespin (DJP), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 14:59 (ten years ago) link
And when he propagated once again the "Columbine killers were lonely, shy kids getting back at their tormentors" myth.
― Disagree. And im not into firey solos chief. (Phil D.), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 15:07 (ten years ago) link
Black kids, whose feelings of persecution are not mostly in their heads, are also not murdering masses like the white boys he is talking to.
― Three Word Username, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 15:20 (ten years ago) link
Also Phil, I think you are way off.
"Because my fear is that in saying I remember identifying with the Columbine kids, or that Elliot Rodgers said things about his feelings that reflected my feelings at his age, that I’m coming off as sympathetic to them and what they did – that couldn’t be further from the truth." He's talking about identifying with a sense of being treated unfairly despite your superiority, not any of the rest of the mythmaking, and he doesn't let the Columbine dickheads off the hook at all.
― Three Word Username, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 15:24 (ten years ago) link
Eh, maybe I'm misreading him, TWU. But when he precedes "We were the Columbine kids" with
We were the kids who girls never talked to. We were the kids the popular kids looked down on. We got made fun of. We got laughed at. I remember once entering the locker room of my high school’s gym, where a kid a year older than me named Rick walked up to me and backhand slapped me across the face. I looked up at him and he shrugged and said, “What can you do?” sympathetically. As if even he knew what he did reflecteda way of things that wasn’t fair, even though he was also choosing to do it.
it gets my hackles up.
― Disagree. And im not into firey solos chief. (Phil D.), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 15:55 (ten years ago) link
He follows it with "on many, many levels we were". And then analyzes the similarity and differences in a very sensitive way, I think, with the specific goal of getting young white dudes not to feel like victims owed by an unjust world.
― Three Word Username, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 16:08 (ten years ago) link