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― KrafTwerk (sleeve), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 19:42 (ten years ago) link
Brian Williams interview about to start.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 May 2014 02:00 (ten years ago) link
betraying the criminal American state is about the most awesome thing anyone can do.
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 29 May 2014 02:10 (ten years ago) link
it's always really hard to hear politicians speak out against snowden. it's like, obviously i don't give a fuck what you think about the guy who made your job / lying to me more difficult.
― building a desert (art), Thursday, 29 May 2014 02:13 (ten years ago) link
boy he is rticulate
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 May 2014 02:18 (ten years ago) link
articulate teoo
gah is this gonna be rebroadcast
xpost
yeah he's also had a LOT of time to think things over
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 29 May 2014 02:48 (ten years ago) link
like how guys in prison for a long time often have an uncanny ability to explain their own thought processes, b/c they have a lot of practice
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 29 May 2014 02:50 (ten years ago) link
Manson
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 29 May 2014 02:55 (ten years ago) link
this after-the-interview stuff on NBC's website is pretty bad.
i find it so weird that there are people who basically think "i mean it's fine if he wants to commit civil disobedience, but does he have to break the law to do it?"
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 29 May 2014 03:16 (ten years ago) link
and chuck todd still looks like he takes a shit and wipes it on his face
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 29 May 2014 03:17 (ten years ago) link
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101712444
In the wide-ranging and provocative interview, Snowden suggested that a deal could be reached with the U.S. government for him to come home, said he had tried to go through channels before leaking documents to journalists, and described his transition from enthusiastic supporter of American foreign policy, who enlisted for U.S. Army special operations training during the Iraq War, to a disillusioned intelligence worker who said he came to believe that the government took advantage of the September 11 terror attack to overreach into the private lives of all Americans.
When Williams asked, "Do you see yourself as a patriot?" Snowden answered immediately, "I do."
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 29 May 2014 14:10 (ten years ago) link
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/in-nbc-interview-snowden-says-nsa-watches-our-digital-thoughts-develop/
Responding to Snowden’s comments on his reasons for staying in Russia (which was aired as an excerpt on NBC TODAY on Wednesday morning), Secretary of State John Kerry fired back: "For a supposedly smart guy, that's a pretty dumb answer, frankly... Edward Snowden is a coward,” Kerry told Chuck Todd on MSNBC. “He is a traitor. And he has betrayed his country… and should face the music.” Kerry continued to challenge Snowden to "man up and come back to the United States."What's more, Kerry made the case that Snowden’s leaks of classified documents revealing the extent of NSA spying programs has given valuable information to terrorists and has thrown a wrench in US counter-terrorism efforts. “If this man is a patriot, he should stay in the United States and make his case,” Kerry said. “Patriots don't go to Russia, they don't seek asylum in Cuba, they don't seek asylum in Venezuela, they fight their cause here.”
What's more, Kerry made the case that Snowden’s leaks of classified documents revealing the extent of NSA spying programs has given valuable information to terrorists and has thrown a wrench in US counter-terrorism efforts. “If this man is a patriot, he should stay in the United States and make his case,” Kerry said. “Patriots don't go to Russia, they don't seek asylum in Cuba, they don't seek asylum in Venezuela, they fight their cause here.”
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 29 May 2014 21:32 (ten years ago) link
John Kerry, Frenchman, parasailor, and flipflopper.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 May 2014 21:33 (ten years ago) link
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2014/05/29/traitor-or-patriot-what-a-silly-question-after-inside-snowden/?hpid=z3
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 29 May 2014 21:35 (ten years ago) link
hey guys, turns out the Dems ran Dick Cheney for prez the last THREE times. xp
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 29 May 2014 21:35 (ten years ago) link
eh, that's obvious just a hook for viewers, but the interview itself is not terrible.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 29 May 2014 21:37 (ten years ago) link
no, not bad at all considering the interlocutor
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 May 2014 21:38 (ten years ago) link
hey guys, turns out the Dems ran Dick Cheney for prez the last THREE times. xp― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Thursday, May 29, 2014 4:35 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Thursday, May 29, 2014 4:35 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
omg, really? keep up with these revelatory nuggets, because there's no one else on this board as fearless in speaking truth to power. i raise a gloved fist in salute.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 29 May 2014 21:38 (ten years ago) link
every time i read an ap-style article about a snowden update it contains a single-sentence paragraph along the lines of "Some think Snowden is a patriot, while others consider him a traitor."
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 29 May 2014 21:38 (ten years ago) link
yeah
it's weird, i cannot even fathom anyone outside of gov't thinking he's a traitor pure and simple, but then again i don't get out much
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 29 May 2014 21:39 (ten years ago) link
on MSNBC this morning Carson Daly (did you know he works for "The Today Show"? I didn't) crowed that opinions had flipped after last night's broadcast: now 61 percent or something Americans who watched think Snowden is a "hero."
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 May 2014 21:41 (ten years ago) link
a traitorous hero tho
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 29 May 2014 21:42 (ten years ago) link
hero... or zero?
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 29 May 2014 21:42 (ten years ago) link
are there any conspiracy theorists who think that snowden is a false-flag dude put up to it by the bushobama admin to obscure the even more terrifying truth about the world security state?
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 29 May 2014 21:43 (ten years ago) link
61 percent or something Americans aren't sure which of those two guys was brian williams so
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 29 May 2014 21:50 (ten years ago) link
yep:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/06/naomi-wolf-edward-snowden-false-flag-conspiracy.html
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 29 May 2014 21:55 (ten years ago) link
that reminds me, in the interview he didn't say he misses his girlfriend. he kind of fucked her over IMO, although we have no idea what their relationship was about of course.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 29 May 2014 22:01 (ten years ago) link
Why is NBC’s framing of this issue coming down to the blindingly simple question of “traitor” or “patriot”? (“Do you view former NSA contractor Edward Snowden as a #Patriot or a #Traitor? Post your message on Twitter using the appropriate hashtag and check back here to see what others are saying,” the website urges.)
Washington Post writer expected more complexity from NBC's marketing folks. Although Chuck Todd might have framed it that way also
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 29 May 2014 22:05 (ten years ago) link
Cara_C Jun 14, 2013
It's possible. The Obama administration seems to be trying to provoke civil unrest at every turn with its outrageous unConstitutional behavior and non-stop scandals. But apparently, the sleeping giant isn't biting, probably theorizing that we still have a chance to avert the destruction of America in the next midterms.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 May 2014 22:06 (ten years ago) link
Why is NBC’s framing of this issue coming down to the blindingly simple question of “traitor” or “patriot”? (“Do you view former NSA contractor Edward Snowden as a #Patriot or a #Traitor? Post your message on Twitter using the appropriate hashtag and check back here to see what others are saying,” the website urges.)Washington Post writer expected more complexity from NBC's marketing folks. Although Chuck Todd might have framed it that way also― curmudgeon, Thursday, May 29, 2014 5:05 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― curmudgeon, Thursday, May 29, 2014 5:05 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
“Do you like NBC's framing of Brian Williams's interview with former NSA contractor Edward Snowden as a choice between #Patriot or a #Traitor? #Yes or #No. Post your message on Twitter using the appropriate hashtag and check back here to see what others are saying."
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 29 May 2014 22:08 (ten years ago) link
americans are also retarded
#sliced bread or #super satan covered in shit
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 29 May 2014 22:39 (ten years ago) link
Important to remember it has to be one or the other, no grey areas allowed.
― ▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 30 May 2014 00:02 (ten years ago) link
No -- American pundits are retarded.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 May 2014 02:30 (ten years ago) link
am, shove it; i tried.
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Friday, 30 May 2014 02:36 (ten years ago) link
that Garry Wills book title about the press attitude toward Reagan applies exponentially now" On Bended Knee
(no one wants to be closed down, yeah? that's coming)
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Friday, 30 May 2014 02:53 (ten years ago) link
Mark Hertsgaard wrote it, and, yes, it's essential reading and available cheap.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 May 2014 02:57 (ten years ago) link
mea culpa
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Friday, 30 May 2014 03:01 (ten years ago) link
There is so much info to be dug out of the lower reaches of the executive branch, where the work actually happens, that being shut out by the political parts of an administration should not be a major impediment to investigative reporting. You'd have to cultivate sources who work in the bureaucracy below the assistant secretaries.
― put 'er right in the old breadbasket (Aimless), Friday, 30 May 2014 03:02 (ten years ago) link
yeah but you don't get to be interviewed by Joe and "Mika."
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 May 2014 03:11 (ten years ago) link
I keep being amazed how 99.9% of everything is about the messenger and not the message. Is it really that easy to divert everyone's attention?
― StanM, Friday, 30 May 2014 08:25 (ten years ago) link
There is so much info to be dug out of the lower reaches of the executive branch, where the work actually happens, that being shut out by the political parts of an administration should not be a major impediment to investigative reporting. You'd have to cultivate sources who work in the bureaucracy below the assistant secretaries.― put 'er right in the old breadbasket (Aimless), Thursday, May 29, 2014 10:02 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― put 'er right in the old breadbasket (Aimless), Thursday, May 29, 2014 10:02 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
feel like there are fewer and fewer journalists (with less and less time) to do this sort of reporting, and as you say fewer and fewer dollars to support their work. this seems like a top-ten impediment to improving our democracy IMO.
judging by the student newspaper here in 20 years there won't be any
― display name changed. (amateurist), Friday, 30 May 2014 08:45 (ten years ago) link
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/governments-collecting-personal-data-without-limit-says-vodafone/2014/06/06/ff0cfc1a-edb4-11e3-9b2d-114aded544be_story.html?hpid=z1
Britain’s Vodafone revealed Friday that several governments are collecting surveillance data directly from its networks without any legal review and publicly urged more safeguards against such unfettered access to the private communications of its customers.
The declarations, made by the world’s second-largest cellular carrier, show that the type of access to telecommunications networks enjoyed by the U.S. National Security Agency also occurs in other countries where legal protections almost certainly are lower. Vodafone’s networks span much of Europe and parts of Africa and Asia.
.The company said that voice, Internet and other data could be collected without any court review in “a small number” of nations
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 7 June 2014 17:18 (ten years ago) link
A
― dsb, Friday, 20 June 2014 04:17 (ten years ago) link
http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-20/ex-nsa-chief-pitches-advice-on-cyber-threats-to-the-banks.html
Former NSA head Keith Alexander making big bucks now
― curmudgeon, Monday, 23 June 2014 14:32 (ten years ago) link
who could have seen this coming
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 23 June 2014 14:40 (ten years ago) link
http://pando.com/2014/07/16/tor-spooks/
― everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Monday, 21 July 2014 13:19 (ten years ago) link
yeah i've always been befuddled by the detail about snowden's crypto party when his own documents seemed to suggest the NSA dgaf about the use of tor
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 21 July 2014 14:15 (ten years ago) link
Russia has granted fugitive National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden permission to remain in the country for three more years, Snowden's lawyer said Thursday, a measure that promised to further strain U.S.-Russian relations.
from Washington Post
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 7 August 2014 16:28 (ten years ago) link
i wonder what snowden thinks about crimea
― Mordy, Thursday, 7 August 2014 16:32 (ten years ago) link