that seems way under market for boston
― iatee, Monday, 2 June 2014 15:56 (ten years ago) link
xxxp Can they have Indian food delivered at midnight? That's my not-entirely-serious standard for life.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Monday, 2 June 2014 15:57 (ten years ago) link
xp yea you're right, it is
― marcos, Monday, 2 June 2014 15:57 (ten years ago) link
no one outside ny can have indian food delivered at midnight. stuff closes earlier in the diaspora.
― Mordy, Monday, 2 June 2014 15:58 (ten years ago) link
xp so my shot is not entirely fair
― marcos, Monday, 2 June 2014 15:58 (ten years ago) link
nyc rents are absurd yes. there's a lotta culture (and jobs to support that culture) that are more accessible and pay better than in most other cities tho. And my areas of expertise, such as they are, may not travel that well.
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 June 2014 15:58 (ten years ago) link
like boston is roughly as expensive as the outer boroughs and does not have the benefit of being nyc so if anything boston rent is harder to justify than ny
― iatee, Monday, 2 June 2014 15:59 (ten years ago) link
Tbf our rent for what is arguably a 2.5-BR is like $600 under market rate too. It has serious drawbacks tho that we are just willing to live with for the space and the neighborhood. Like maintenance, which is nonexistent.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Monday, 2 June 2014 16:00 (ten years ago) link
boston is 100x more attractive than outer boroughs though. outer boroughs are ugly as shit
― marcos, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:02 (ten years ago) link
The outer--what? Are you even talking about?
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Monday, 2 June 2014 16:03 (ten years ago) link
apparently has only seen Times Square
elderly female tenant was standing outside my bldg this weekend, shouting at a friend "I PAY $1350 AND THEY WON'T FIX ANYTHING!"
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 June 2014 16:06 (ten years ago) link
I PAY $1350 AND I'M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 June 2014 16:08 (ten years ago) link
rent for my store + mortgage on my huge house is roughly the same as that one bedroom in harlem. western mass, bitches!!
― scott seward, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:09 (ten years ago) link
location, location, location
― Mordy, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:11 (ten years ago) link
that's why they say it 3 times
like i said, 75% of the time i don't understand why anyone lives in NY. i'd move to western mass in a second though
― marcos, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:12 (ten years ago) link
it's really not that mysterious why people live in ny
― iatee, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:13 (ten years ago) link
The thing about Brooklyn is that the cheap easy commutes to Manhattan are pretty much exhausted, but you'll probably also see more and more people working in Brooklyn.
― ₴HABΔZZ ¶IZZΔ (Hurting 2), Monday, 2 June 2014 16:14 (ten years ago) link
I don't understand why I live in NYC either. I mean I do, but it's not because I like NYC.
benefits to living in NY: things are always open, good live entertainment every night, get all the movies, jobs in niche aspirational creative industries, lots of ppl, cultural cache of telling ppl you live in ny when you visit yr parentsdownsides to living in NY: too expensive, it smells during the summer, lots of ppl, no good breweries, no good gaming shops
― Mordy, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:18 (ten years ago) link
benefits to living in ny - has the only half decent public transit system in the country
― iatee, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:21 (ten years ago) link
*meekly waves Chicago flag*
― carl agatha, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:24 (ten years ago) link
new york is awesome. i would totally live there. if i were rich.
― scott seward, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:24 (ten years ago) link
i mean yea, i understand why people live there, especially rich people or young people without kids. i'm just kind of being a dick. just saying for me personally it just has little appeal. it doesn't strike me as a livable city. there's no space. it's crazy expensive. it's hard to get around. the subway is gross as hell -- every ime i go i spend so much time underground and it's filthy and stinks so bad. it strikes me as a hellhole to live if you have a family. there is virtually no place to live that has a yard or even a porch unless you have shitloads of money. there is a lot to do but it costs a lot of money and takes a lot of time to get to it unless you live close it (e.g. have money to live in a good part of nyc.) wilderness and outdoors seem like another planet when you're there. so much concrete.
― marcos, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:24 (ten years ago) link
'there is virtually no place w/ a yard' is a feature not a bug
― iatee, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:26 (ten years ago) link
I was more into the idea of apartment living with kids before I had a downstairs neighbor who bangs on the ceiling at every noise
― ₴HABΔZZ ¶IZZΔ (Hurting 2), Monday, 2 June 2014 16:26 (ten years ago) link
Also my daughter loves being outside but hates playgrounds for some reason. Granted we can take her to Forest Park, which even has little hiking trails and a pond and shit.
― ₴HABΔZZ ¶IZZΔ (Hurting 2), Monday, 2 June 2014 16:27 (ten years ago) link
i have never been a fan of brooklyn but i have discovered that large swaths of it are still undiscovered unhipsterized portions. so of course i'm helping gentrify them now.
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Monday, June 2, 2014 11:41 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I live in a not-fully hipsterized part of Bushwick/Bed-stuy and pay $575/month including utilities. But I allow that this is rare and that the food delivery options aren't great. Commute's OK. We have a yard but the landlord covered it with concrete at some point, to my unending bafflement and frustration. Went to a party yesterday at a place with a treehouse. Sigh.
Cleveland is also pretty cool though, based on everybody I've ever met from there. I lived in Columbus for years, maybe not as good but a pretty groovy scene and oh do I miss a couple of my apartments there. I had this one-bedroom that was the full depth of this duplex, vast sunny living space (shaded by the leafiest of leafy trees), two minutes from the woody riverside greenway to campus. $475 a month and I felt I was being pretty damned indulgent on my Ohio grad-student income. I will always rep for Athens GA in this sense also, though college-town math works a little different and is less appealing to me at this stage in my life.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:28 (ten years ago) link
marcos neatly sums up my feelings about nyc w/family
london is also famously expensive but has good-to-great public schools, a clean, efficient public transportation system and parks a 5-10 minute walk from wherever you live. plus yards (aka "gardens") are standard issue if you buy a house. (yes, a house)
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 2 June 2014 16:30 (ten years ago) link
nyc has: astonishing live music from all over the globe that either starts here or comes here to strut its stuff; ditto theater, ditto dance, ditto museum shows, ditto movies, ditto comedy, ditto any performative or plastic art. astonishing cultural diversity within the populace and accompanying variety of lives, belief systems, creative and spiritual energy. spectacular architecture and public park system. near comprehensive (if aging and problematic) mass transit system allows for a life without a car. mind boggling diversity and quality of cuisine.
― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 2 June 2014 16:30 (ten years ago) link
london is also not yet part of america
― iatee, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:31 (ten years ago) link
The "I couldn't live anywhere other than NYC" mentality feels more like a failure of imagination than anything else.
― Immediate Follower (NA), Monday, 2 June 2014 16:32 (ten years ago) link
No yard=not good if you have lots of dogs.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:33 (ten years ago) link
it strikes me as a hellhole to live if you have a family.
this is otm that's why you live there before you have a family or if you decide not to have a family. i loved my time there and i don't regret leaving at all. we ate outside in our yard last night. it was lovely and the most suburban i've ever felt in my life.
― Mordy, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:34 (ten years ago) link
My dream right now is to eventually own one of those little rowhouses on the south side of Queens Blvd. -- never have to cross the Blvd., kids could probably safely ride bikes to forest park when they're a little older, have at least a small patch of backyard. It's like quasi-suburban living with a subway and a commercial district in walking distance, which I guess is my ideal.
― ₴HABΔZZ ¶IZZΔ (Hurting 2), Monday, 2 June 2014 16:36 (ten years ago) link
There are cities in America where it's much easier to live with a family. My friends in Denver have a reasonably priced detached house with a backyard about two blocks from a happening commercial street
― ₴HABΔZZ ¶IZZΔ (Hurting 2), Monday, 2 June 2014 16:37 (ten years ago) link
I live here because I don't drive, and am probably unemployable outside of an industry that exists only in NYC in the eastern US.
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 June 2014 16:39 (ten years ago) link
lol i feel that morbs
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 2 June 2014 16:43 (ten years ago) link
driving is not such a big deal. i didn't drive until i left NY and it was a PITA to learn and pass the test but now i'm a pro so
― Mordy, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:44 (ten years ago) link
yeah you can be barely literate and drive, most of america managers to drive, but if you actually don't want to drive and don't want to be a second class citizen, nyc is really your only option in america
― iatee, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:45 (ten years ago) link
manages to drive*
i didn't drive until i moved to marthas vineyard. it sucked. i hate driving.
― scott seward, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:47 (ten years ago) link
note to self: Mordy is driving, look both ways even with the light
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 June 2014 16:48 (ten years ago) link
I haven't owned a car in 9 years. I don't live in NYC.
― Jeff, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:49 (ten years ago) link
^ 15+, and just now i'm remembering the surprising amt of advice i got when visiting nyc not to take certain trains at night, to call a car service, not to walk through certain neighborhoods, etc. sounds like a super snap to get around, sure!
― j., Monday, 2 June 2014 16:53 (ten years ago) link
don't worry morbz if i see u i'll ride up on the sidewalks if necessary jk <3 ;)
― Mordy, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:54 (ten years ago) link
another point of contrast: i got mugged @ gunpoint in front of the A train station in waheights at 1AM. i've never been mugged on the mainline but of course i lived in NY longer so give me a couple more years.
― Mordy, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:55 (ten years ago) link
j that advice is probably dated, you almost have to go out of your way to find a dangerous neighborhood in ny today
― iatee, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:56 (ten years ago) link
Another metric on which Chicago is superior. You can accidentally get off the train one stop early and be in some trouble.
― carl agatha, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:57 (ten years ago) link
also anecdotes aside philly is statistically much more dangerous than ny
― iatee, Monday, 2 June 2014 16:58 (ten years ago) link