even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

i kinda feel like just let the nytimes be the nytimes but on the other hand i am fascinated and surprised by the existence of young people who still feel like they need to live in manahattan, brooklyn has been media phenomenon for what 15 years, grandparents in kansas know that its good to live in brookyn idgi

You occasionally run into young people in my "field" who talk about Brooklyn like it's an exotic locale. Even that's becoming uncommon though. Usually either 30-somethings who got entrenched in Manhattan before Brooklyn became acceptable, or 20-somethings who just moved to the city and are from conservative families.

do they know what Queens is

Sometimes they know what Long Island City is.

i love that parmigiano thing but parmigiano is basically my favourite substance in the universe so i'm content if every day the times is full of slideshows interactive web reporting and #longreads about it

FWIW I think working as a nanny and being unable to make student loan payments isn't quite quid ag territory, even if she has unrealistic expectations.

You should totally be able to work as a nanny, make student loan payments, and generally be free of excessive want and fear. It may not involve a one-bedroom apartment, and at this point, to find that a shocking wake-up call when you finish school is a BIT quid/ag. But yeah it probably should be filed under a slightly different category.

I really don't like playing the "middle class person isn't making the money management choices I would make" game, it seems very not in the spirit of this thread.

Also the fact that her father co-signed the loans and then had his credit score dashed means that he didn't have the money to help pay them. Also she went to a state school. Reading between the lines here there is nothing about this person that is remotely "ruling class."

You occasionally run into young people in my "field" who talk about Brooklyn like it's an exotic locale. Even that's becoming uncommon though. Usually either 30-somethings who got entrenched in Manhattan before Brooklyn became acceptable, or 20-somethings who just moved to the city and are from conservative families.

ime its kinda just mainstreamerz, like sorority girl / frat types who moved to ny and want to live a lifestyle they saw on tv

You should totally be able to work as a nanny, make student loan payments, and generally be free of excessive want and fear.

Also I don't believe this is true in New York. A nanny might be taking home like $500/week. You can't really even rent a decent room in Manhattan or large swaths of Brooklyn for under $1000/month now. I mean there's always Queens, but still. Who even knows what her loan payment was -- $500/mo? $1000/mo? I just really hate people saying "x person should have no trouble making ends meet" with no idea what their financial situation actually is.

clearly the correct thing to look down on her for is going in debt for an out state public school when she was from california

dude, she refused to share an apartment with other roommates because they were "going to college". 26 in new york means no manhattan, no solo apartment and acting as if that's a hardship is plenty quid/agg
we've both been in her position; neither of us considered ourselves entitled enough to get what she had. and neither of us had a cockapoo.

"had" = "wanted" rather

Cockapoos are super cute. Don't malign the cockapoo.

she refused to share an apartment with other roommates because they were "going to college".

It was a two-bedroom apartment with five people and two dogs.

http://cdn-www.dailypuppy.com/dog-images/elbee-the-cockapoo_61050_2011-10-10_w450.jpg

"I love you, forks!"

One of the dogs was hers! And the "college" quote was her reasoning, not mine.

I just realized I was conflating cockapoo and cockatiel.

carl, no offense but i am not really a fan of small teddy bear dogs

I'm not a cockapoo so no offense taken.

cockapoos are so gd cute

You should consider adding a cockapoo to your family.

Someone get a god damn cockapoo and then bring it to my office to visit me, is what I'm saying.

You should totally be able to work as a nanny, make student loan payments, and generally be free of excessive want and fear.

Also I don't believe this is true in New York. A nanny might be taking home like $500/week. You can't really even rent a decent room in Manhattan or large swaths of Brooklyn for under $1000/month now. I mean there's always Queens, but still. Who even knows what her loan payment was -- $500/mo? $1000/mo? I just really hate people saying "x person should have no trouble making ends meet" with no idea what their financial situation actually is.

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FYI I meant "should" as in "it would be right in a just world for this to be so," not "i think this is right in the world we live in, what's this person's problem if they can't do it"

ah gotcha

Big Dogs or Small Dogs?

not wanting to live with people who are in college is totally reasonable, people hating on this girl are doing the bidding of the ruling class, and for what wld they even bother to pat you on the head, to them you are lower than a cockapoo

shes all "wow the system weve got is kinda bullshit huh" and youre all "lol u didnt know that noob shut up and eat the shit"

lagoon otm

It would be pretty funny if some enterprising NYU students had sublet their dorm room to her

NYU dorms don't allow pets apparently, bummer for the cockapoo lovers

wd've said 3 days ago that cockapoo was under the cockatoo

Genuinely sad and scary story with a quid-ag easter egg at the end:

http://gawker.com/well-all-be-dying-in-debtors-prisons-soon-1590359535

The reason debtor's prisons never made sense, anyway, is that debt itself is a bit of a prison. As any type-A Ivy League student carrying one of those big student loan burdens will tell you, it cuts off possibilities. It keeps you chained to a certain kind of life.

Which is quite depressing, yes, and has me contemplating a glass of wine at noon already.

When did NYT purchase Gawker?

crippling student debt is not a quid/ag!

nor is drinking wine at noon afaik

I think there's probably a strong positive correlation between crippling student loan debt and noon drinking. *opens beer*

Which beer are you drinking????

lol

I guess it was a sincere attempt at empathy so I give her some credit. Less a quid-ag than a poor equivalency I guess.

I just had a Lagunitas IPA fwiw.

thinking debt is a prison is not quid-ag actual-prison comprehension fail!

it is a hallmark of classic american economic thought

Some of you, we all know, are poor, find it hard to live, are sometimes, as it were, gasping for breath. I have no doubt that some of you who read this book are unable to pay for all the dinners which you have actually eaten, or for the coats and shoes which are fast wearing or are already worn out, and have come to this page to spend borrowed or stolen time, robbing your creditors of an hour. It is very evident what mean and sneaking lives many of you live, for my sight has been whetted by experience; always on the limits, trying to get into business and trying to get out of debt, a very ancient slough, called by the Latins æs alienum, another's brass, for some of their coins were made of brass; still living, and dying, and buried by this other's brass; always promising to pay, promising to pay, tomorrow, and dying today, insolvent; seeking to curry favor, to get custom, by how many modes, only not state-prison offenses; lying, flattering, voting, contracting yourselves into a nutshell of civility or dilating into an atmosphere of thin and vaporous generosity, that you may persuade your neighbor to let you make his shoes, or his hat, or his coat, or his carriage, or import his groceries for him; making yourselves sick, that you may lay up something against a sick day, something to be tucked away in an old chest, or in a stocking behind the plastering, or, more safely, in the brick bank; no matter where, no matter how much or how little.

crippling student debt is not a quid/ag!
― wat is teh waht (s.clover)

nor is drinking wine at noon afaik
― What Is It Like To Be A HOOS? (silby)

Even more shouts and murmurs of the ruling class:
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/shouts/2014/05/if-you-let-your-teen-age-daughter-sleep-in-on-a-school-day.html?intcid=obnetwork

tee hee I'm not really much of a parent but it doesn't matter because I have so much money that everything will work out!

getting the cleaner hooked on uber? more money more problems I guess!

wow, that's some kind of quid/ag epic poetry

Ah, she's the author of The Official Preppy Handbook, so she already has a long successful career of having her head up her own rich ass

it also explains how she was able to get that shit published in the new yorker