Sopranos

all of the abuse was just tough to sit through. The cover art kinda says it all.

I look fwd to the deepening of Christopher's character then, as you can't have tragedy centered on pure vermin.

they're all vermin to varying degrees but aspects of his character come to the fore that make him more sympathetic, esp when set in contrast with some of the others

yeah, he's not just a ziggy

he is ziggy for maybe all of season 1 though. but i guess he can back it up better than ziggy.

Oh, and season 5 has that great last scene of Tony walking out of Janice's house and down the street to "I'm Not Like Everybody Else."

not sure if Camille Paglia's critical thoughts have been linked on these threads. in due time.

xpost Oh, and season five has f-in "In Camelot" which Morbs should skip to if he ends up considering quitting the show for good.

camille paglia is never necessary

very little is necessary

i chuckled when i saw the final count on this series was 27 actors in common w/ Goodfellas.

it's weird that Chase's movie was so hated around here when y'all are crazy for the needledrops on the show

needledrops are a little less obvious/60s cliche here, given that the show is not set in the 60s. altho I liked that movie fine.

this show does have some of my all-time music placement moments though - Dirty Work, Gotta Serve Somebody, Moonlight Mile

i miss ralph and janice

that reminds me, how could I forget Janice's "Mother and Child Reunion" moment

god this show

my two fave musical moments are "Oh Girl" and "Glad Tidings"

Fred Neil's "Dolphins" w/Christopher a fave of mine.

the two that i still think about sometimes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmd-RJUO_RY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBcbc8eWz6U

also-christopher was a huge fuckup and junkie and liability and obviously should have been killed in season one. he wasn't because tony has a sentimental streak and he saw chris as his surrogate son. this narrative tension drove a large part of the show! like why did fredo last so long, etc. family and Family get all intertwined..it's a pretty common trope in crime fiction.

"World Destruction" much too hip for the milieu

I'm kinda glad Chase didn't have the power to pop Plastic Bertrand into The Rockford Files.

'world destruction' is too hip, so is 'evidently chickentown'. using them is powerful to me because it feels like the narrative zooms out for a bit, it's like a little aside from the palm of god/the author. i totally get that it could take people out of the narrative though. it's a risk.

That's an interesting take, connecting it with that Burroughs-y voiceover.

music choices in the soprano are tops, and the non-diegetic music is allowed to be whatever chase wants it to be.

unless you are ridiculously literal-minded about wanting film music to just set the scene and nothing else, in which case, go watch forrest gump.

never have and I'd like you to watch this fucking chainsaw

this fucking chainsaw is much too hip for the milieu

The Sopranos is similar to Jesus Christ as the most objectionable thing about em are the fans

u jelly?

fun fact: Gandolfini was only 5 years older than Michael Imperioli

fun fact this commercial speaks the truth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlzuybHJd8Y

Ok I'm watching the chainsaw, when should I expect to see something

https://i1.ytimg.com/vi/5A-cOmaaBgQ/maxresdefault.jpg

lol

lol

I miss Ginny Sack, she deserved her own spinoff

It's Ginny!

Welcome Back, Ginny Sack! (theme song could be a variation of "Jimmy Mack")

David Chase's dry-run Sopranos episode on "The Rockford Files" in 1979:

http://willmckinley.wordpress.com/2014/07/24/the-1979-rockford-files-episode-that-inspired-the-sopranos/

whoa

sounds more like a curiosity than must-see TV (and not playing to TRF's strengths)

yeah i was intrigued at first but that doesn't make it sound too appealing

Uncle Beppy is a better name than Uncle Junior tho. (Also, I distinctly remember my grandma, who lived in Newark nearly her whole life, talking about a restaurant named Beppy's.)

uncle junior is a GREAT name!!

what can i say, Beppy's Restaurant is more memorable than Junior's Restaurant (at least these days)

Related to Sopranos origins and Newark, this is from Philip Roth's I Married A Communist (1998):

He got his name (Little Pussy) because he started out professionally as a cat burglar, sneaking across the rooftops and going in through the windows with his older brother, Big Pussy. In grade school they were already up all night stealing. When they even bothered to come to school, they sat sleeping at their desks and nobody dared to waker them up. Big Pussy died of natural causes, and Little Pussy was bumped off in 1979 in real gangland style...three bullets from a .32 in his head. The next day Ritchie Boiardo tells one of his cronies, "Perhaps it was for the best--because he talked too much."

There was also a Beppy on The Sopranos (played by David Chase's actual uncle, I just read). He was one of the really old school guys in Junior's crew, I think last seen kicking up to Junior and attempting to plot an escape attempt for him with Uncle Pat.

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/27/6006139/did-tony-die-at-the-end-of-the-sopranos

worth reading imo

whether you liked Not Fade Away on one viewing or not, I didn't understand the dismissal of it as "another cliched '60s rock movie." Obviously it's 'the stuff between' that is the key.

So when he answered the "Did Tony die" question, he was laconic.

Just the fact and no interpretation. He shook his head "no." And he said simply, "No he isn't." That was all.

um

"No, he isn't die".

basically, it could be his way of saying "it's not the point."

I finished Season 1 btw. Probably starting Two this weekend. Really great casting, down to the single- or few-episode guests, like Joihn Heard as the sleazy cop.