itt: consternation and wailing about Zach Snyder's upcoming SUPERMAN/BATMAN film/sequel to MAN OF STEEL -- official title: BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE

I tried to watch Man of Steel the other night but jfc the beginning is horrible

may need to get drunk for this one

The idea of supes getting into "no killing" after snapping Zod fits with the rumor that the new movie involves batman and aquaman being pissed off about the destruction on land and in the ocean during man of steel. Maybe this superman just starts off as a Nebraskan asshole with daddy issues who only becomes America's top Boy Scout after he finds better role models than pa kent?

the beginning was the only part i liked tbh!

it was kooky

it would be interesting if the new one was all about the consequences of the climactic action scene of the first one, has any series ever responded to its critics quite like that

Though man it will be nuts if in the middle of a movie that introduces a new batman they also have to establish the existence of Atlantis and Amazons.

Maybe they'll have different origin stories, though.

"Hey, superman, I'm batman. Veteran superhero, not dead but not Joseph Gordon-levitt. Decimating metropolis was fucked up!"

"Yes, and you also made a mess of things in my undersea kingdom!"

idk the beginning had so much superfluous flying around & "omg stuff!" it felt like a fking Lego Bionicle movie or some shit

I just love that Jor-El had a trusty dragon.

yes and a robot friend

IIRC the robot friend, plus a lot of the other Krypton elements, came from John Byrne's 1980s reboot of the comic (which was also titles The Man of Steel). In fact most of the movie's plot points were taken either from Byrne's Superman, J. Michael Straczynski's Earth One, or Mark Waid's Birthright. Even Superman killing Zod happened in the comics, and it was actually harsher there: he executed Zod and the other Phantom Zone criminals with Kryptonite... Though in the comics it was at least made clear that Superman felt he had no other choice (since those guys were mass murderers, and they'd proven that no prison could hold them), and killing them resulted in a major moral crisis, which made Supes leave Earth and wander aimlessly in space.

between his "i'm from nebraska!" bit at the end, and the fact that he didn't give a fuck when skyscrapers fell but got murderous when zod was endangering a single family of obvious tourists, maybe they'll have reporter clark kent be ostracized from his peers for being an anti-urbanite republican prude rather than a klutz

jesus forgot smallville was in kansas

i mean superman straight up says terrorists can't be from kansas, already sounds like a fox & friends guest

http://www.dragon-zoo.com/images/News_Pics/superman_dragon_cover.jpg

wait, that superman movie has a trusty dragon and robot friend? Somebody should have told me this earlier.

I don't remember either of those things being in it.

It was better than Bryan Singer's 'Superman lifts objects of increasing weight' at least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-EdLrzZutE

in which jor-el, standing with robot friend during laser battle, calls for trusty dragon to rescue them

tbf, i did forget about the underwater lair where babies grow on seaweed

geez there are other colors besides teal and orange aren't there

yeah it's funny that this dismally colored land of lasers, dragons and seaweed babies would bring us SUPERMAN

but yeah, to be clear, i did prefer this mess to "SUPERMAN VS HEAVY THINGS: DAWN OF CHILD SUPPORT"

i always say superman ii is my favorite but it's hard to be objective when you saw the first four before the age of 10

but yeah, to be clear, i did prefer this mess to "SUPERMAN VS HEAVY THINGS: DAWN OF CHILD SUPPORT"

high praise

yeah tbf i was loling at myself for preferring Marlon Brando In An Ice Palace

like when mark waid wrote that SUPERMAN DOES NOT KILL HE'S A SWELL GUY article as if last time superman didn't throw Zod down a pit after pulling the ol' de-powering switcheroo...before picking a payback fight down at a diner.

In fairness to him...

But after I processed all that, I realized that it wasn’t so much my uncompromising vision of Superman that made this a total-fail moment for me; it was the failed lead-up TO the moment. As Superman’s having his final one-on-one battle with Zod, show me that he’s going out of his way to save people from getting caught in the middle. SHOW ME that trying to simultaneously protect humans and beat Zod is achingly, achingly costing Superman the fight. Build to that moment of the hard choice…show me, without doubt, that Superman has no other out and do a better job of convincing me that it’s a hard decision to make, and maybe I’ll give it to you. But even if I do? It’s not a victory. Not this sad, soul-darkening, utterly sans-catharsis “triumph” that doesn’t even feel like a win so much as a stop-loss. Two and a half hours, and I never once got the sense that Superman really achieved or earned anything.

yeah no it was a good piece and i was being reductive, just noting how hard it is to really have perspective on a reboot in comparison to the original

Simple fact: If you can't top the perfection of Ornery, Drunken Supes in Superman III, you shouldn't be making a Superman film.

IIRC Waid wasn't comparing MoS to the earlier Superman movies but to Superman comics, particularly the one he wrote that the movie was partly inspired by, so in that sense I think he does have some perspective. I'm sure many comic fans were disappointed too when Supes killed Zod back in the day in Superman II, since the no-kill code has been such a big part of his persona, it's just that in the pre-internet era the fans' voices weren't heard like the are today.

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"like they are today"

I'm sure many comic fans were disappointed too when Supes killed Zod back in the day in Superman II

I think the manner of death is also important - in II he's just thrown into a crack in the ice (entirely within the realm of survivable fates in comicbook-land). which is fundamentally qualitatively different from Superman snapping his neck imo.

in 2 i remember the kill-choice to be pretty agonizing and affecting... tho that could have been my younger more sensitive self.

mark waid otm about everything else.

lois kills ursa for unambiguous lols though

Lois isn't a being of unimaginable power, she's just a regular ol human, lower standards etc

women, amiright

unless they drove a money truck to Chris Nolan's house to make The Dark Knight Is Sorry

slept on pullquote imo

hee hee hee

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2014/07/03/henry-cavill-batman-superman-movie-first-look/11310229/

When developing Man of Steel, Snyder didn't harbor dreams of one day putting Batman on screen, too — he figured he'd one day tackle an adaptation of Frank Miller's seminal 1980s masterpiece The Dark Knight Returns, which pits a retired Batman against government agent Superman.

It ultimately made sense with Dawn of Justice to add Bruce Wayne and his cowled alter ego to the mix. Because of Christopher Nolan's recent Dark Knight trilogy, "I was in no rush to put Batman in the movie," Snyder says, "but on the other hand it seemed organic the way our story was unfolding to start to feather him in."

Instead of using several movies to define Affleck's Batman, Snyder felt the character's 75-year mythology is so deep in culture now that they can just jump to an older, road-weary take on the Dark Knight. Plus, he says, "it's cooler to see a crusty old Batman beating the snot out of guys."

The director can't say exactly how the relationship between the two superheroes evolves, "but suffice it to say there is a 'v' in between their names" in the movie title, Snyder says. He explains that having the "v" instead of "vs." is a way "to keep it from being a straight 'versus' movie, even in the most subtle way."

forgot cyborg is going to be in this too

wait, so there's Wonder Woman and Cyborg? who else?

The most recent Justice League debuted with:

Supes
Bats
Wonder Woman
Aquaman
Cyborg
Flash
Green Lantern

so my guess is some subset of those characters, if not all of them (already have 4 out of 7)

The director can't say exactly how the relationship between the two superheroes evolves, "but suffice it to say there is a 'v' in between their names" in the movie title, Snyder says. He explains that having the "v" instead of "vs." is a way "to keep it from being a straight 'versus' movie, even in the most subtle way."

Kubrickian attention to detail here

xp but how many origin stories can they cram into one movie? I assumed Batman and Wonder Woman were enough...

well, the article linked above does say that they're not bothering with doing an origin story for Batman, so maybe they won't do any origin stories?

I've never looked forward to a Zach Snyder movie before. It's a peculiar sensation.

Based on the Zach Snyder movies I've seen, I really can't imagine him making a movie I would like. I'm interested in several aspects of this movie, but have no desire to actually watch it.

I think I'm intrigued by the notion of a guy who's making a movie where they've shoehorned batman in so egregiously can say something like "it seemed organic the way our story was unfolding to start to feather him in."

If Snyder makes a movie where Batman and Atlanteans and Amazons are just THERE with no backstory...

Oh god I can't wait

"Meanwhile, under the sea..."

Man I hope the first visit to Atlantis they're all just singing Little Mermaid songs.