my gut reaction to Jacobin is basically "blah blah whatever guys"
― heck (silby), Thursday, 14 August 2014 20:29 (nine years ago) link
*scribbles notes* "Yes, yes, very good... & now tell me, what is your gut reaction to a convenience store on fire?"
― ODB's missing grammy (bernard snowy), Thursday, 14 August 2014 20:34 (nine years ago) link
yes let's focus on the rioters who aren't from the community rather than the peaceful protesters who live there. xp
this is about local political culture imo and finding ways to connect and communicate that are part of daily life not filtered through media channels and ideologies hopefully making it less insane not more so for the non-whites who call these places home to exist there.
― mattresslessness, Thursday, 14 August 2014 20:36 (nine years ago) link
the author there is one of the smartest and most thoroughly grounded guys i know--and he's from missouri.
i think, mattress, that in saying "the key...is to transition outrage into constructive political organization" and "honestly observe and discuss their political needs" he's agreeing with your point about local political culture. a figure like chokwe lumumba seemed to get this keenly.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 14 August 2014 20:52 (nine years ago) link
ok cool i will actually read the whole thing
― mattresslessness, Thursday, 14 August 2014 20:55 (nine years ago) link
get a little kneejerky about jacobin lately tbh
― mattresslessness, Thursday, 14 August 2014 20:56 (nine years ago) link
...and rightly so, the writing in that piece is so terrible and about-me and the author doesn't want to see it, frankly his armchair revolution tone, it may be born from good intentions but it strikes me as irresponsible. i think the npr interview linked above with the councilwoman who represents there is a far more grounded take on a few real obstacles that with a bit more engagement could be loosened improving conditions for disenfranchised people there and in other places like it, if only because of the simple act of engagement not grandstanding, and yes, ignorance of certain people on both sides is always going to be a part of the equation...
― mattresslessness, Thursday, 14 August 2014 21:06 (nine years ago) link
like here, i am going to advocate for a connecting bus route between two "sides" of the community (latino and white) as i can in my neighborhood, it seems the ratio of potential connection to alienation is greater than one if it goes through, or even if it doesn't and people have to keep trying in different ways to make the common ground become apparent to others, sometimes their whole life. a lot gets subsumed when you compromise and work within an understanding of the system that surrounds you but isn't that part of the transformational point?
― mattresslessness, Thursday, 14 August 2014 21:20 (nine years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvB1CBaIEAAszeW.jpg:large
<3
― polyphonic, Thursday, 14 August 2014 21:22 (nine years ago) link
heart or angel wings?
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 14 August 2014 21:28 (nine years ago) link
or weirder, zip ties??
― mattresslessness, Thursday, 14 August 2014 21:28 (nine years ago) link
signed,not a warrior
― mattresslessness, Thursday, 14 August 2014 21:29 (nine years ago) link
zip ties = handcuffs
― Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Thursday, 14 August 2014 21:30 (nine years ago) link
I was unaware of that one; was thinking of "Violence is as American as cherry pie." My apologies.
Thanks. I apologize for transferring my anxiety about this whole situation onto you.
― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Thursday, 14 August 2014 21:31 (nine years ago) link
every time a cop fires a rubber bullet an angel gets his wings
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 August 2014 21:31 (nine years ago) link
ziptie wings are a crazy metaphor of perspective there
― go ahead. make vid where u rap about this new TMNT movie. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 14 August 2014 21:39 (nine years ago) link
theyre also...................................................,..................................................................................white
― mattresslessness, Thursday, 14 August 2014 21:40 (nine years ago) link
A lot of angels got their wings last night
― polyphonic, Thursday, 14 August 2014 21:43 (nine years ago) link
Ghostrider checking in:
http://mobile.twitter.com/pareene/status/499922849776541696
Man discovers One Weird Trick for processing information that conflicts with one's worldview twitter.com/NolteNC/status…7:17am - 14 Aug 14
Which leads to noted Breitbart columnist:
https://mobile.twitter.com/NolteNC/status/499907224689733632
John Nolte
@NolteNC
#Ferguson is too politically convenient for me to believe anything the media's reporting.6:15am - 14 Aug 14
― Stephen King's Threaderstarter (kingfish), Thursday, 14 August 2014 22:03 (nine years ago) link
reality is too politically convenient not to be denied
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 14 August 2014 22:39 (nine years ago) link
i mean i know it's all in the tweet but it's not funny anymore
related:
Peter Enns looks at the latest depressing study showing that facts are not persuasive when people’s religious or ideological preconceptions are at stake. Those contradictory facts are often known, just not accepted. They’re not rebutted, simply rejected outright as incompatible with the person’s preferred anti-factual – i.e., false — worldview.(I dislike that word “worldview,” but it’s appropriate here since the very people who talk most about “worldviews” are precisely the same people who tend to reject facts in favor of them.)
(I dislike that word “worldview,” but it’s appropriate here since the very people who talk most about “worldviews” are precisely the same people who tend to reject facts in favor of them.)
― Stephen King's Threaderstarter (kingfish), Thursday, 14 August 2014 22:44 (nine years ago) link
^^who the fuck is this supposed to be politically "convenient for??
― ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 14 August 2014 22:51 (nine years ago) link
"Them"
― Stephen King's Threaderstarter (kingfish), Thursday, 14 August 2014 22:55 (nine years ago) link
A Captain Johnson of the Missouri Highway Patrol is now the commanding officer on the scene in Ferguson
https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery
― heck (silby), Thursday, 14 August 2014 22:56 (nine years ago) link
tbh I'm almost weeping here at work at the contrast between what the police ought to be to us, in a civil society, and what far too many officers and departments actually are
― heck (silby), Thursday, 14 August 2014 22:57 (nine years ago) link
wow trying to not be too optimistic but this johnson guy seems like he rules
― ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 14 August 2014 23:02 (nine years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvCFnjCCUAAIybi.jpg
― Andy K, Thursday, 14 August 2014 23:03 (nine years ago) link
Are Highway Patrol cops as heavily militarized as other PDs? A tank would not seem especially useful in their line of work.
― Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 14 August 2014 23:17 (nine years ago) link
Had no idea about this Moment of Silence. This wasn't organized just in the past day, was it?
― the one where, as balls alludes (Eazy), Thursday, 14 August 2014 23:39 (nine years ago) link
The day after Brown was murdered, I think.
― Andy K, Thursday, 14 August 2014 23:43 (nine years ago) link
This almost lets me forgive the MHP for that bullshit ticket I got outside of Rolla in 1993.
Almost.
― pplains, Thursday, 14 August 2014 23:54 (nine years ago) link
http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2014/08/13/340076968/what-policing-looks-like-to-a-former-investigator-of-misconduct
― 龜, Friday, 15 August 2014 00:44 (nine years ago) link
http://www.blackgirldangerous.org/2014/08/things-stop-distracted-black-person-gets-murdered-police/
― mattresslessness, Friday, 15 August 2014 01:09 (nine years ago) link
But let’s get something straight: a community pushing back against a murderous police force that is terrorizing them is not a “riot”. It’s an uprising. It’s a rebellion. It’s a community saying We can’t take this anymore. We won’t take it. It’s people who have been dehumanized to the point of rightful rage. And it happens all over the world. Uprisings and rebellions are necessary and inevitable, locally and globally. This is not to say that actual riots don’t happen. White folks riot at sporting events, for example. Riots happen. But people rising up in righteous anger and rage in the face of oppression should not be dismissed as simply a “riot”.
― mattresslessness, Friday, 15 August 2014 01:10 (nine years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvCci4DIMAEXAIz.jpg
― j., Friday, 15 August 2014 01:13 (nine years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvCnzKfIUAAudPU.jpg
― j., Friday, 15 August 2014 01:15 (nine years ago) link
I’ve seen the following sentiment expressed on Twitter in response to Black folks murdered by police: “Stop giving them a reason to shoot you!” I’ve seen some version of that tweeted by people of all races, but the ones that concern me most come from Black folks themselves.
Y’all.
This country has spent the last several centuries systematically killing Black people. Black death is built into the system. Black death, alongside Native American genocide, built the system. Yet, whenever yet another unarmed Black person is killed by police, it’s somehow our fault? We must’ve been threatening/drunk/holding a BB gun/maybe possibly shoplifted some candy? Because after 400 years of never needing a reason, they suddenly need a reason? No. No. They have never needed a reason.
― You are exactly why people root for the apes (Eric H.), Friday, 15 August 2014 01:19 (nine years ago) link
(that was meant to be a blockquote from mattresslessness' link)
― You are exactly why people root for the apes (Eric H.), Friday, 15 August 2014 01:20 (nine years ago) link
she is good on looting too
Looting is often part of the “rioting” narrative. Peaceful protests that turn violent are often accompanied by looting. During the first night of the Ferguson protests there was looting reported at various locations nearby. Looting—stealing merchandise from vandalized businesses during a protest—happens separate from the actual protest taking place and its actual organizers and participants in every case I’ve ever heard about, anywhere, ever. Looting is often an opportunists’ game.
Looting, too, is about power. When people have nothing and something happens to remind them, in a big way, that what little they do have can be taken away in an instant, including their lives and the lives of their children, they may reach for any semblance of power or control they can get. That might mean breaking a window or even starting a fire. It may mean taking something. Something you’ve been told you can’t have because you’re not human enough to live, let alone prosper.
― mattresslessness, Friday, 15 August 2014 01:27 (nine years ago) link
yes, great post.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 15 August 2014 01:35 (nine years ago) link
i remember some of my first "conversations" about all this w/ my parents after katrina, venturing out and offering my newborn viewpoints on race in this completely white fictional matrix-like reality, i was having a hard time arguing with them because the personal property > people assumption is so ingrained. it's more an equation though, people are their personal property, people are personal property.
xp that post makes me want to reverse some of the things i was saying upthread about rioting and re-visit the jacobin piece tbh.
― mattresslessness, Friday, 15 August 2014 01:38 (nine years ago) link
Maudlin, oversentimentalized and deeply insulting conflation of looting with any of the issues here. Looting is about getting wasted and going for nice shoes. It's not about power, race, or anything else. Fuck you.
― fields of salmon, Friday, 15 August 2014 02:02 (nine years ago) link
I am reading this on Zing Touch so maybe you are quoting somebody but I can't tell.
― fields of salmon, Friday, 15 August 2014 02:03 (nine years ago) link
imo the jacobin piece wasn't wrong as such but there was something seriously awry about its tone, i think that piece does a much better job of making the same points (and in far fewer words)
― Merdeyeux, Friday, 15 August 2014 02:04 (nine years ago) link
I'm befuddled by the comments about the Jacobin tone--the guy's a buddy, so maybe it's sailing past me for that reason alone.
And ~fields of salmon~, I am glad you've got things so cleanly figured out for all of us.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 15 August 2014 02:24 (nine years ago) link
man that is a deeply hostile response to a booming post imo
― Now I Am Become Dracula (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 15 August 2014 02:25 (nine years ago) link
the quote is from the black girl dangerous post listed above, if you're interested in the rest of it:
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 15 August 2014 02:29 (nine years ago) link
aero otm
― sleeve, Friday, 15 August 2014 02:40 (nine years ago) link
The tweets from the last 15 minutes...
https://twitter.com/trymainelee
― Andy K, Friday, 15 August 2014 02:43 (nine years ago) link