if dr. strange will already be sorcerer supreme at the beginning of the movie, they'll probably have an audience surrogate (maybe a laaady) going "wtf magic?" instead of strange himself
― da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 16:49 (nine years ago) link
so it will really be the "origin story" of his assistant or girlfriend.
― da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 16:50 (nine years ago) link
the smart thing about taking that road would be it allows for them to do a flashback "strange rising" prequel...and you knoooow they love prequels
― da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 16:52 (nine years ago) link
STRANGE BINDS SLIMER IN THE CRIMSON BANDS OF CYTTORAK.Bystander: "How the hell did you do that?"Dr. Strange: "It's a long story."Bystander: "Hell with that, I'll miss my train."Dr. Strange: "That's cool, I wasn't offering to tell it...UNLESS MY OPENING WEEKEND BLOWS THE FUCK UP."
xps
― Cindy Operahouse (WilliamC), Monday, 18 August 2014 16:54 (nine years ago) link
Hellboy did a pretty great job with this. 5 minutes - oh, he's a demon from hell and we'll figure out the rest later - Cut to 80 years into the future!
That said I agree that origin stories can be great if done right, the ones that are annoying are where we have to keep seeing them (new Spider-Man, new Fantastic Four again soon) or the ones that are just terrible generic-feeling retreads (Green Lantern, which should have easily avoided this problem).
― Nhex, Monday, 18 August 2014 17:01 (nine years ago) link
x-men did the "non-origin origin story" structure well, with rogue as the audience surrogate needing to be caught up while cyclops and storm were already cyclops and storm
xpost hellboy had that geeky fbi agent (and actually didn't do so great)
― da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 17:02 (nine years ago) link
the most non-origin story, audience-surrogate-free superhero movie i can think of is watchmen, which tanked
― da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 17:05 (nine years ago) link
The new Spidey films totally should've just been sequels with a different actor.
I dunno if the same is true for the new FF, not sure enough people saw the first one to not have a retread, and they didn't do it particularly well. They could have the whole thing over with in the first 15 mins though.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 18 August 2014 17:10 (nine years ago) link
I dug how they handled it in The Incredible Hulk. All of the origin rehash was handled in brief snippets during the opening credits.
― The Ape In The Outhouse (Old Lunch), Monday, 18 August 2014 17:11 (nine years ago) link
well that was a sorta-sequel anyway
― da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 17:16 (nine years ago) link
The Hulk's origin is extremely straightforward.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 18 August 2014 17:36 (nine years ago) link
No more so than most of the other superheroes who don't really require a cinematic origin story. Unless WB is doing a Hawkman movie, I think we can generally leave it out.
― The Ape In The Outhouse (Old Lunch), Monday, 18 August 2014 17:39 (nine years ago) link
Burton's Batman only spent about two minutes on the origin iirc.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 18 August 2014 17:40 (nine years ago) link
and still managed to totally fuck it up
― Number None, Monday, 18 August 2014 17:41 (nine years ago) link
still nerdgaging over the Joker killed the Waynes thing
― Nhex, Monday, 18 August 2014 17:45 (nine years ago) link
The upcoming Venom Carnage film has the unenviable task of presenting the origin stories of both Venom and Carnage in addition to presumably explaining how they became a single entity with an unwieldy name.
― The Ape In The Outhouse (Old Lunch), Monday, 18 August 2014 17:46 (nine years ago) link
that will be covered in the Sinister Six film, which will consist entirely of origin stories for the titular villains
― Number None, Monday, 18 August 2014 17:48 (nine years ago) link
― Nhex, Monday, 18 August 2014 17:53 (nine years ago) link
Burton's Batman did have very little origin story but that is a case where between the tv shows animated and not etc etc you can honestly say the global audience is familiar with his basic steez. but you can't say that about any marvel property they might kick up AFTER ant-man.
― da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 18:09 (nine years ago) link
Batman Begins on the other hand is almost all origin story and is probably my favourite Batman movie.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 18 August 2014 18:11 (nine years ago) link
Though I guess it covers a portion of his life that isn't very culturally ubiquitous.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 18 August 2014 18:13 (nine years ago) link
i kind of can't believe venom carnage is actually going to happen, at least in its current form. of the three spideyless spiderverse movies planned, only sinister six even has a set release date. unless the buzz on that improves, i can't believe sony would just blaze into "two gooey psychos dressed like spider-man go to white castle." they've already amended their spideyverse fantasies once, can see it happening again
― da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 18:31 (nine years ago) link
but then again sinister six seems like such a wtf they already look like wile e coyote standing over a ravine confused to me
― da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 18:33 (nine years ago) link
i still don't get how they're doing a Sinister Six movie without Spider-Man in it
― Nhex, Monday, 18 August 2014 18:34 (nine years ago) link
like, they realized from the asm2 numbers that spidey's suffering some audience burn-out, but they still think movies about his supporting cast are going to get people MORE into regular spidey movies?
maybe they think sinister six sounds like fast five which sounds like a franchise re-energizer?
― da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 18:38 (nine years ago) link
But the Fast series never needed a re-energizer, even the third one that didn't have the original stars made a crapton of money
― Nhex, Monday, 18 August 2014 18:39 (nine years ago) link
I'm gonna start presuming that all comic book movies will be titled Venom Carnage from now on unless i'm explicitly told otherwise
― go ahead. make vid where u rap about this new TMNT movie. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 August 2014 18:39 (nine years ago) link
In related news, did you hear about the John Carter spin-off Disney is working on called Martians?
― The Ape In The Outhouse (Old Lunch), Monday, 18 August 2014 18:39 (nine years ago) link
fast five did twice as well as fast 4, you can play semantics but fast five did take things up a big notch
― da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 18:41 (nine years ago) link
and asm2 still made a ton of money, it just didn't expand upon the market of the reboot like they hoped
― da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 18:42 (nine years ago) link
some marvel origin stories are good! and i like that the screenwriters have an opportunity to take the bizarre/corny ones and present/form them better. with liberties.
but i can definitely see how the strange origin would be done with as little origin as possible.
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Monday, 18 August 2014 19:05 (nine years ago) link
er *strange movie
my.. hands.. my.. HANDS *falls to his knees, gazes up into the starlit sky*
― Nhex, Monday, 18 August 2014 19:09 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, Strange's is definitely one of the least necessary origin stories. In a way, our encroaching era of private space flights is a perfect time to zip right through an updated version of the FF's origin with a minimum of logistical finagling.
― The Ape In The Outhouse (Old Lunch), Monday, 18 August 2014 19:44 (nine years ago) link
word is they're doing something different with the FF's origin anyway
― Number None, Monday, 18 August 2014 19:45 (nine years ago) link
So they're going to be alien ninja turtles, then.
― The Ape In The Outhouse (Old Lunch), Monday, 18 August 2014 19:50 (nine years ago) link
Did they actually go ahead with that?
― Nhex, Monday, 18 August 2014 20:08 (nine years ago) link
Nah, they eventually realized that Bay's involvement was enough of a slap in the face for anyone who cared.
― The Ape In The Outhouse (Old Lunch), Monday, 18 August 2014 20:12 (nine years ago) link
I would watch a Strange Hamm:http://blog.sfgate.com/dailydish/2014/08/25/jon-hamm-dismisses-doctor-strange-rumors/
― Οὖτις, Monday, 25 August 2014 18:47 (nine years ago) link
Jack Huston >>>>
― Number None, Monday, 25 August 2014 23:00 (nine years ago) link
Good shout.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 25 August 2014 23:05 (nine years ago) link
all over the nerdsphere today
― Number None, Monday, 25 August 2014 23:07 (nine years ago) link
Pedro Pascal ftw
― bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 07:27 (nine years ago) link
Nah, he's a bit too straighforwardly suave (though I've only seen him in GoT, so what do I know).
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 13:11 (nine years ago) link
joaquin i guess
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Friday, 29 August 2014 01:18 (nine years ago) link
i'm okay with that
― go ahead. make vid where u rap about this new TMNT movie. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 29 August 2014 04:24 (nine years ago) link
Think I would've preferred Huston, but sure he'll do a fine job.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 29 August 2014 09:38 (nine years ago) link
Jemaine Clement for Dr Strange
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 22 October 2014 23:30 (nine years ago) link
also, Wes Anderson to direct The Inhumans
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 22 October 2014 23:31 (nine years ago) link
seriously?
― Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 23 October 2014 01:22 (nine years ago) link