the scottish independence referendum

Would there be a seperate Amazon for an indepedant Scotland? What does southern Ireland use?

oh don't even ask it was fuckin nightmarish for a while there. think its OK now.

in de pedant Scotland they would point out it's spelt "separate"

How I voted is between me and the ballot box, but I've cracked open a beer and am a little overcome at, y'know, democracy and the opportunity to settle such a matter peacefully and without violence.

if there are no exit polls how about private ones done by both campaigns? Any news from those?

There was a very bored-looking No campaigner outside my polling station going "please? can I *try* and change your mind?" to all heading in.

stiglitz are particularly convincing because they are speaking in generalities from afar

the scottish government set up a council of economic advisers, a widely-sourced group of international economists, and it had a subgroup (the fiscal commission working group) do an audit of scotland's economy, you can scroll down here for their papers:

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/topics/economy/council-economic-advisers/fcwg

afaik, no other country has ever done this & they have been publishing research for some time now

economists who have all been operating at a global level -- IMF, OECD, world bank etc -- and whose work on scotland is just 1 small part of wide ranging careers. the only skin in the game they have is their professional reputations.

the group includes two nobel prize winners, an ex-tutor of carney, and the economist who correctly forecast the exact cause and nature of the 2007/8 crash (stiglitz). only one of them, a new zealander, has any other connection to scotland

cozen!

the problem with the stiglitz piece from the other day is that its just a reiteration of his general political economy

The fundamental issue facing Scotland is different. It is clear that there is, within Scotland, more of a shared vision and values – a vision of the country, the society, politics, the role of the state; values like fairness, ­equity and opportunity. Of course, not everyone in the country agrees on the precise policies, on the delicate balancing of complicated trade-offs. But the Scottish vision and values are ­different from those that have become dominant south of the Border.

and the dismissal of the critical importance of currency arrangements as being merely a technical non-sequitur

Another example of a non-issue is the currency. There are many currency arrangements that would work. Scotland could continue using sterling – with or without England’s consent. (The argument that if it were done without their consent, Scotland would have no say in monetary policy is hardly convincing: even if it had some voice, monetary policy would be dominated by England.)

the difference between formal and informal currency union is surely the presence of a lender of last resort

the chrakabortty piece is better because it affirms that an independent scotland is a feasible prospect but it doesn't dismiss the possibilities for hardship in the interim and also provides some scepticism about whether the stiglitz dream of a more equitable society is likely

bookies odds for Yes have been lengthening all day, from 4-1 to 9-1 or more

http://i.imgur.com/uJ16Lqr.png

lol grauniad

just spoke with a campaigning yes friend of mine on the phone and he predicts a yes landslide

yougov fella saying 54-46 for no, claiming "99% certainty" of result

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

xpost ahhh grauniad getting it twisted

ah well, at least the voters can say they gave it 110%

http://i.imgur.com/8WO0Lcs.jpg

good luck scotland

the press is obviously crumbling under the weight of history. can't cope with percentages or the difference between yes or no.

Despite being a Yes voter, I get a bit of the Fear of the Future trying to sit through the TV waffle till 2am. As annoying as Jeremy Vine's daft graphics are, I'm still googling "how to watch english tv in scotland".

I mean, I know how to do it on the computer. I just want to do it on my "Smart" TV.

quarter-serious q: can't the queen just say no to this

This results guy at bbc1 seems inspired. Turn off the sound and it's like ballet.

declaration of arbroath 1320 (pt of the scottish constitution) says the will of the scottish people (not the king/queen of scots) is sovereign iirc

we shall see

Are they not allowed to mention the last predictions of 54% no until the results come in?

http://i.imgur.com/8WO0Lcs.jpg

hope this is the final result cause then not only would a victory be won over imperialism but also numbers

110 percent of the public polled

every channel has been mentioning it! sky have it running in a ticker across the bottom of the screen in a continuous loop

xxpost

Ok, soz! Not heard or seen it on bbc

This results guy at bbc1 seems inspired. Turn off the sound and it's like ballet.

Think you must mean BBC1 England. Nobody on BBC1 Scotland is doing ballet.

Yes, meant UK Beeb, and it was Vine apparently.

They're mentioning the 54% nay now

England Beeb I mean. This is hard already.

Don't understand why BBC1 Scotland is doing a different prog with shittier graphics from the same place network is doing theirs.

hope this is the final result cause then not only would a victory be won over imperialism but also numbers

"You see, science has overcome time and space. Well, Harvey has overcome not only time and space — but any objections."

a preview of independence? xp

Alistair Carmichael

Assuming no does win, the question Alex Salmond has to answer is ‘will you now put your independence obsession to one side, and work for the first time in your political life with other parties, with business, the trade unions and churches, and be part of the consensus, building instead of dividing Scottish politics?’

the nerve of these cunts

Could Dundee just not be arsed? FFS

Fire alarm in Dundee! What if all the votes burn?

Clackmannanshire 54% no.

http://www.ueapolitics.org/2014/09/16/cut-keep-guide-indyref-night/ has Clackmannanshire as being more Yes than nation as whole, so the 54% No there looks pretty good for Better Together.

Expected Clackmannanshire to be v close to 50-50 at least. No Dollar as new Scottish currency then eh.

Oh wait, I misread that UEA page. It's actually down as estimated 1.5 points lower than average Yes vote.

if nothing else its rapid poll counters have given prominence to the best named of all counties
no kirkcudbrightshire sadly

That's a great link, Alba. Gonna come in handy in the next wee while.

http://www.ueapolitics.org/2014/09/16/cut-keep-guide-indyref-night/ has Clackmannanshire as being more Yes than nation as whole, so the 54% No there looks pretty good for Better Together.

Oh wait, I misread that UEA page. It's actually down as estimated 1.5 points lower than average Yes vote.

CI is ±12.6 …

(Nonetheless, kudos for publishing CIs!)

There's only about 15 people in Clackmannanshire.

Kind of remember very first 1992 election results backing up the exit polls... that's what I'm clinging on to, for excitement.

Ooft Glasgow turnout 75%. That and Dundee is a big blow to Yes

75 is huge for a city that's regularly under 40% tbh.
Amazing numbers all round when 75+ is being described as low. Several areas are over 90!

Just don't blame immigrants and ethnic communities if the Yes loses, that soured Quebec politics for years.

Those communities were polling high Yes iirc