the scottish independence referendum

just spoke with a campaigning yes friend of mine on the phone and he predicts a yes landslide

yougov fella saying 54-46 for no, claiming "99% certainty" of result

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

xpost ahhh grauniad getting it twisted

ah well, at least the voters can say they gave it 110%

http://i.imgur.com/8WO0Lcs.jpg

good luck scotland

the press is obviously crumbling under the weight of history. can't cope with percentages or the difference between yes or no.

Despite being a Yes voter, I get a bit of the Fear of the Future trying to sit through the TV waffle till 2am. As annoying as Jeremy Vine's daft graphics are, I'm still googling "how to watch english tv in scotland".

I mean, I know how to do it on the computer. I just want to do it on my "Smart" TV.

quarter-serious q: can't the queen just say no to this

This results guy at bbc1 seems inspired. Turn off the sound and it's like ballet.

declaration of arbroath 1320 (pt of the scottish constitution) says the will of the scottish people (not the king/queen of scots) is sovereign iirc

we shall see

Are they not allowed to mention the last predictions of 54% no until the results come in?

http://i.imgur.com/8WO0Lcs.jpg

hope this is the final result cause then not only would a victory be won over imperialism but also numbers

110 percent of the public polled

every channel has been mentioning it! sky have it running in a ticker across the bottom of the screen in a continuous loop

xxpost

Ok, soz! Not heard or seen it on bbc

This results guy at bbc1 seems inspired. Turn off the sound and it's like ballet.

Think you must mean BBC1 England. Nobody on BBC1 Scotland is doing ballet.

Yes, meant UK Beeb, and it was Vine apparently.

They're mentioning the 54% nay now

England Beeb I mean. This is hard already.

Don't understand why BBC1 Scotland is doing a different prog with shittier graphics from the same place network is doing theirs.

hope this is the final result cause then not only would a victory be won over imperialism but also numbers

"You see, science has overcome time and space. Well, Harvey has overcome not only time and space — but any objections."

a preview of independence? xp

Alistair Carmichael

Assuming no does win, the question Alex Salmond has to answer is ‘will you now put your independence obsession to one side, and work for the first time in your political life with other parties, with business, the trade unions and churches, and be part of the consensus, building instead of dividing Scottish politics?’

the nerve of these cunts

Could Dundee just not be arsed? FFS

Fire alarm in Dundee! What if all the votes burn?

Clackmannanshire 54% no.

http://www.ueapolitics.org/2014/09/16/cut-keep-guide-indyref-night/ has Clackmannanshire as being more Yes than nation as whole, so the 54% No there looks pretty good for Better Together.

Expected Clackmannanshire to be v close to 50-50 at least. No Dollar as new Scottish currency then eh.

Oh wait, I misread that UEA page. It's actually down as estimated 1.5 points lower than average Yes vote.

if nothing else its rapid poll counters have given prominence to the best named of all counties
no kirkcudbrightshire sadly

That's a great link, Alba. Gonna come in handy in the next wee while.

http://www.ueapolitics.org/2014/09/16/cut-keep-guide-indyref-night/ has Clackmannanshire as being more Yes than nation as whole, so the 54% No there looks pretty good for Better Together.

Oh wait, I misread that UEA page. It's actually down as estimated 1.5 points lower than average Yes vote.

CI is ±12.6 …

(Nonetheless, kudos for publishing CIs!)

There's only about 15 people in Clackmannanshire.

Kind of remember very first 1992 election results backing up the exit polls... that's what I'm clinging on to, for excitement.

Ooft Glasgow turnout 75%. That and Dundee is a big blow to Yes

75 is huge for a city that's regularly under 40% tbh.
Amazing numbers all round when 75+ is being described as low. Several areas are over 90!

Just don't blame immigrants and ethnic communities if the Yes loses, that soured Quebec politics for years.

Those communities were polling high Yes iirc

these comparisons to normal general election turnouts aren't that instructive given the gravity of this vote and how close it is
25% of people in glasgow didn't vote on which country they want to be in

compared to say 6.48% in the 1995 quebec referendum

There's only about 15 people in Clackmannanshire.

― I misuse (onimo), Friday, September 19, 2014 2:47 AM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes, but from ten of them it wasn't odd to expect them voting yes.

This stinks. I want my money back.

I hate democracy.

It's the worst when it doesn't go my way iirc

2 of 32 councils declared.

not exactly the famed scottish fighting spirit you lot.

A disgrace.

Two's a trend though, and we're nowhere near something too close to call.

And I'm not even Scottish (though I've probably been in Clacks more than anyone here).

Xp

The two councils voting No were expected Nos - albeit more voting No than expected according to Alba's link.

Really, we need to wait for an early, large, Yes-oriented council result, e.g. North Lanarkshire, which should come soonish.

If e.g. the North Lanarkshire results are not more Yes than expected, or even not Yes overall, then it's time for bed.

Rigged!

Xp Clacks wasn't an expected no tbh