Hardeep Kohli (in the BBC studio) giving a pretty angry speech: nothing changes, food banks go on, 'project fear' wins, shit getting real at 5am..
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 19 September 2014 04:16 (ten years ago) link
so weird that an independent Scotland was going to remain a monarchy under QEII
How is there no meaningful Republican movement in the UK?
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 19 September 2014 04:19 (ten years ago) link
Well, this has been absolutely delicious. Great to know that the Scottish people aren't thick, also the tears of some of the anti-English rhetoric I've been noticing from bellend nationalists on Facebook has never tasted sweeter. Congratulations, Scotland!
― Welcome To (Turrican), Friday, 19 September 2014 04:27 (ten years ago) link
*the tears of those spouting some of the anti-English rhetoric
― Welcome To (Turrican), Friday, 19 September 2014 04:36 (ten years ago) link
The Capital City of Scotland must surely vote yes?
― strychnine, Friday, 19 September 2014 04:45 (ten years ago) link
lol, no.
― Spaceport Leuchars (dowd), Friday, 19 September 2014 04:49 (ten years ago) link
Also, get a move on Fife.
http://machotrouts.tumblr.com/post/97748597900/morihaventgotshitonmehmmm grindr predicted the edinburgh result
― danzig, Friday, 19 September 2014 05:02 (ten years ago) link
Fife were obviously holding out for the glory announcement.
― Spaceport Leuchars (dowd), Friday, 19 September 2014 05:11 (ten years ago) link
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yPYZpwSpKmA
― mike t-diva, Friday, 19 September 2014 05:27 (ten years ago) link
scottish friends heartbroken everywhere :(
― lex pretend, Friday, 19 September 2014 06:17 (ten years ago) link
is what happened to the québec independence movement likely to happen here?
― lex pretend, Friday, 19 September 2014 06:29 (ten years ago) link
if there is going to be an english parliament, ukip presence and tory control is going to be likely. I think scotland might balk at being in a union with that, and independence movement will continue.
― danzig, Friday, 19 September 2014 06:45 (ten years ago) link
quite disappointing result, am sad for scotland
hope that resolution of the westlothian issue - possibly indeed by the creation of an english parliament - would involve PR instead of it just being the english subset of already elected MPs deciding on things
― john wahey (NickB), Friday, 19 September 2014 06:56 (ten years ago) link
cos the latter would be grim indeed, especially considering the coming era of national boris
― john wahey (NickB), Friday, 19 September 2014 06:57 (ten years ago) link
The Glasgow result chimed with my impression of the city - Yes posters and stickers and badges everywhere you went, barely any BetterTogether presence - but the tide of good feeling in the city, passing from the Games to the optimism of the Yes campaign, has meant living in a happy bubble, with not much sense of what the rest of the country is feeling. So I'm surprised by the current 55%-45% margin, larger than I thought it would be.
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 19 September 2014 07:17 (ten years ago) link
East Ayrshire also voted NO, and that is an area with a massive working class area. YES were expected to take it...― xyzzzz__, Friday, 19 September 2014 05:12 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 19 September 2014 05:12 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I think "We Are The People" outweighs "working class" in Ayrshire.
Redwood on the radio this morning pointing out there's no need to give Scotland increased powers because they overwhelmingly voted for the status quo.
― I misuse (onimo), Friday, 19 September 2014 07:31 (ten years ago) link
Bait and switch
― calumerio, Friday, 19 September 2014 07:57 (ten years ago) link
redwood is vile, welcome back to britain my scottish chums
― john wahey (NickB), Friday, 19 September 2014 08:02 (ten years ago) link
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/sites/default/files/styles/ipad_fullscreen/public/content/images/2014/09/19/AFP-Schotalnd%20opluchting.jpg
― ambient yacht god (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 19 September 2014 08:05 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbO0GcdkYa4
― john wahey (NickB), Friday, 19 September 2014 08:05 (ten years ago) link
double LP, we're all excited
― Barry Gordy (Neil S), Friday, 19 September 2014 08:14 (ten years ago) link
otm
― john wahey (NickB), Friday, 19 September 2014 08:16 (ten years ago) link
Vile place. So what are we saying here, the middle classes scuppered it?
― FYI Macedonia (Tom D.), Friday, 19 September 2014 09:17 (ten years ago) link
So this has basically killed Cameron, right?
Scotland now becomes no more than another election issue - Labour try to woo scottish voters back next year by pledging to keep the 'vow' made the other day, Tories try to stem the UKIP tide by reneging on any implied promises. How can the 45% of disaffected Scots hold this government to account? They were never going to vote Tory anyway so why would Cameron have any interest in pandering to them rather than the interests of UKIP voting cunts?
Really disappointed.
― Blandford Forum, Friday, 19 September 2014 09:20 (ten years ago) link
Worded it far worse than usual (what can you expect at 4.30 am). This is what the BBC person was saying. Working class + SNP = Ayrshire expected to vote YES, I think. xp
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 19 September 2014 09:21 (ten years ago) link
So what are we saying here, the middle classes scuppered it?
Maybe they weren't bothered about all the oil money going to the home counties in the end?
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 19 September 2014 09:22 (ten years ago) link
That's a person who had no knowledge of Ayrshire speaking (xp). I have a fear that Cameron is going to do a Teflon Tony and come out unscathed. Tories will win the election now, I think.
― FYI Macedonia (Tom D.), Friday, 19 September 2014 09:26 (ten years ago) link
I've always said it, give me Glasgow, the rest of Scotland I can take or leave, though a lot of it is very nice to look at.
― FYI Macedonia (Tom D.), Friday, 19 September 2014 09:28 (ten years ago) link
I was just going to ask you what areas of Scotland apart from Glasgow you like Tom.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 19 September 2014 09:30 (ten years ago) link
I have a fear that Cameron is going to do a Teflon Tony and come out unscathed. Tories will win the election now, I think.
taking credit for "keeping the union together" i can see it now, barf
― lex pretend, Friday, 19 September 2014 09:40 (ten years ago) link
not sure too many people will buy that, what with all the grovelling and the fact that Gordon Brown had to come to the rescue. Welcome to our new Boris overlord, I think.
― Barry Gordy (Neil S), Friday, 19 September 2014 09:41 (ten years ago) link
Then again, there's a lot of "Gordon Brown won it" going around. (xpost)
Cameron was all "God, I can still look the Queen in the eye"
― Mark G, Friday, 19 September 2014 09:42 (ten years ago) link
Is there a youtube video of Beaker from the muppet show surrounded by party streamers going off?
Just wondered..
― Mark G, Friday, 19 September 2014 09:43 (ten years ago) link
"God, I can still look the Queen in the eye"
Something Gordon Brown always found a physical problem.
― and she's crying in a stairwell in Devon (aldo), Friday, 19 September 2014 09:44 (ten years ago) link
Cameron will be waving the English flag furiously from now till the election.
― FYI Macedonia (Tom D.), Friday, 19 September 2014 09:44 (ten years ago) link
Glasgow 54% / 46%Edinburgh 39% / 61%
That's Scotland for you!
― FYI Macedonia (Tom D.), Friday, 19 September 2014 09:46 (ten years ago) link
Which way round?
See, there's still time:
If he reneges on promises, then he gets implicated directly.
If he delivers, then it's Gordon that will get the plaudits.
― Mark G, Friday, 19 September 2014 09:48 (ten years ago) link
Cameron can't credibly claim he held the union together, the accepted narrative seems to be 'almost managed to lose the union, which literally nobody expected to happen 3 months ago, and only held onto it thanks to Gordon Brown and making a load of promises which none of the rest of his party agreed with'
― Blandford Forum, Friday, 19 September 2014 09:48 (ten years ago) link
I don't know how the Tories will win the election. They didn't win the last one for starters.
Even with a Labour victory it will be harder for them as there are plans to extinguish the Scottish influence @ Westminster.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 19 September 2014 09:48 (ten years ago) link
Scotland is back in its box now so everyone can get back to proving how much more they hate immigrants and welfare than everyone else in time for the gen election
― Blandford Forum, Friday, 19 September 2014 09:50 (ten years ago) link
Can see Labour losing seats galore in Scotland.
― FYI Macedonia (Tom D.), Friday, 19 September 2014 09:51 (ten years ago) link
Too late really but:
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bx2cCZBCUAITY9T.jpg
― Mark G, Friday, 19 September 2014 09:54 (ten years ago) link
Does this make an EU referendum less likely? Scottish client claims the country is far more pro EU than England and that anything likely to further deteriorate ties between Westminster and Scotland, like leaving Europe, might be pushed into the long grass for now, but that might be wishful thinking.
― Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Friday, 19 September 2014 09:56 (ten years ago) link
http://www.newstatesman.com/sites/default/files/images/455686000.jpg
― ambient yacht god (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 19 September 2014 10:00 (ten years ago) link
for anyone wanting an analysis of the nightmarish constitutional thicket of the next five or six years: http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2014/09/19/political-and-constitutional-turbulence-in-the-uk-looks-set-to-continue-to-2020/
― Barry Gordy (Neil S), Friday, 19 September 2014 10:35 (ten years ago) link
(xxp) Wishful thinking. Can see an anti-Scottish backlash brewing among Tory MPs, who are itching to put these uppity Scots (back) in their place.
At work this morning was watching some news coverage and a guy, who obviously didn't know I was Scottish, walked by shook his fist at the screen and said, "Bastards! They should have voted yes then we'd have gotten rid of the sods!" LOLz.
― FYI Macedonia (Tom D.), Friday, 19 September 2014 11:12 (ten years ago) link
Fucking silent majority can cut all that clapping out
― stet, Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:23 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i love this post
― caek, Friday, 19 September 2014 12:31 (ten years ago) link
― lex pretend, Friday, September 19, 2014 5:40 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i don't think this is a votewinner tbh. i mean it will energize people who vote tory anyway, but have been lost to UKIP, but otherwise it's not going to win general elections.
― caek, Friday, 19 September 2014 12:32 (ten years ago) link
re quebec, have people seen the questions posed? good grief.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_referendum,_1980#The_questionhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_referendum,_1995#Referendum_question