the scottish independence referendum

otm

I think "We Are The People" outweighs "working class" in Ayrshire.

Vile place. So what are we saying here, the middle classes scuppered it?

So this has basically killed Cameron, right?

Scotland now becomes no more than another election issue - Labour try to woo scottish voters back next year by pledging to keep the 'vow' made the other day, Tories try to stem the UKIP tide by reneging on any implied promises. How can the 45% of disaffected Scots hold this government to account? They were never going to vote Tory anyway so why would Cameron have any interest in pandering to them rather than the interests of UKIP voting cunts?

Really disappointed.

Worded it far worse than usual (what can you expect at 4.30 am). This is what the BBC person was saying. Working class + SNP = Ayrshire expected to vote YES, I think. xp

So what are we saying here, the middle classes scuppered it?

Maybe they weren't bothered about all the oil money going to the home counties in the end?

That's a person who had no knowledge of Ayrshire speaking (xp). I have a fear that Cameron is going to do a Teflon Tony and come out unscathed. Tories will win the election now, I think.

I've always said it, give me Glasgow, the rest of Scotland I can take or leave, though a lot of it is very nice to look at.

I was just going to ask you what areas of Scotland apart from Glasgow you like Tom.

I have a fear that Cameron is going to do a Teflon Tony and come out unscathed. Tories will win the election now, I think.

taking credit for "keeping the union together" i can see it now, barf

not sure too many people will buy that, what with all the grovelling and the fact that Gordon Brown had to come to the rescue. Welcome to our new Boris overlord, I think.

Then again, there's a lot of "Gordon Brown won it" going around. (xpost)

Cameron was all "God, I can still look the Queen in the eye"

Is there a youtube video of Beaker from the muppet show surrounded by party streamers going off?

Just wondered..

"God, I can still look the Queen in the eye"

Something Gordon Brown always found a physical problem.

Cameron will be waving the English flag furiously from now till the election.

Glasgow 54% / 46%
Edinburgh 39% / 61%

That's Scotland for you!

Which way round?

See, there's still time:

If he reneges on promises, then he gets implicated directly.

If he delivers, then it's Gordon that will get the plaudits.

Cameron can't credibly claim he held the union together, the accepted narrative seems to be 'almost managed to lose the union, which literally nobody expected to happen 3 months ago, and only held onto it thanks to Gordon Brown and making a load of promises which none of the rest of his party agreed with'

I don't know how the Tories will win the election. They didn't win the last one for starters.

Even with a Labour victory it will be harder for them as there are plans to extinguish the Scottish influence @ Westminster.

Scotland is back in its box now so everyone can get back to proving how much more they hate immigrants and welfare than everyone else in time for the gen election

Can see Labour losing seats galore in Scotland.

Too late really but:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bx2cCZBCUAITY9T.jpg

Does this make an EU referendum less likely? Scottish client claims the country is far more pro EU than England and that anything likely to further deteriorate ties between Westminster and Scotland, like leaving Europe, might be pushed into the long grass for now, but that might be wishful thinking.

http://www.newstatesman.com/sites/default/files/images/455686000.jpg

for anyone wanting an analysis of the nightmarish constitutional thicket of the next five or six years: http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2014/09/19/political-and-constitutional-turbulence-in-the-uk-looks-set-to-continue-to-2020/

(xxp) Wishful thinking. Can see an anti-Scottish backlash brewing among Tory MPs, who are itching to put these uppity Scots (back) in their place.

At work this morning was watching some news coverage and a guy, who obviously didn't know I was Scottish, walked by shook his fist at the screen and said, "Bastards! They should have voted yes then we'd have gotten rid of the sods!" LOLz.

Fucking silent majority can cut all that clapping out

― stet, Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:23 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i love this post

taking credit for "keeping the union together" i can see it now, barf

― lex pretend, Friday, September 19, 2014 5:40 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't think this is a votewinner tbh. i mean it will energize people who vote tory anyway, but have been lost to UKIP, but otherwise it's not going to win general elections.

re quebec, have people seen the questions posed? good grief.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_referendum,_1980#The_question
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_referendum,_1995#Referendum_question

that wording makes me proud to be british

Yep. Van Horn Street OTM that there's something to be said for the Clarity Act.

I kind of had a "you can do that?" reaction when I saw the question posed in this referendum.

Glasgow 54% / 46%
Edinburgh 39% / 61%

That's Scotland for you!

― FYI Macedonia (Tom D.), Friday, September 19, 2014 5:46 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

can someone compare glasgow and edinburgh to american cities for me so i understand

detroit and boston

Hardeep Kohli (in the BBC studio) giving a pretty angry speech: nothing changes, food banks go on, 'project fear' wins, shit getting real at 5am..

― xyzzzz__, Friday, 19 September 2014 05:16 (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that is cool stuff from a glasgow slumlord

http://www.heraldscotland.com/comedian-singh-kohli-s-rented-glasgow-flats-grubby-and-dirty-1.881896

detroit and boston

― Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Friday, September 19, 2014 9:47 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oof

how long will Sean Connery live now?

I'm more worried about Alasdair Gray.

Finally, someone calling this sham by its real name: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/19/russia-calls-foul-scottish-referendum

that is cool stuff from a glasgow slumlord

... and sex pest, guy's a fucking wank.

the wank that likes to say 'yes'

Was about to add 'and sex pest ' too. Amazed he is still let on TV.

Salmond resigns...

Didn't see that coming.

No stomach to merely hold Westminster to account on the last min mish-mash of promises, when the alternative was to perhaps tough it out w/millions through a 10+ year transition. So close and so far...so who could blame him.

is interesting he mentioned the march second reading thing just prior
btw i wasn't in this thread all through the campaign but i'm really sad for scotland, it felt so promising

http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2014/09/19/james-meek/the-morning-after/

^ I don't believe that Cameron is intelligent enough to pull the set of manipulations required.

He is

Cameron will be waving the English flag furiously from now till the election.

― FYI Macedonia (Tom D.), Friday, September 19, 2014 9:44 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That's from no less and authority than, uh, me.

Things are getting out of hand at George Square, by the twitter looks of it...

who is causing trouble?