So this has basically killed Cameron, right?
Scotland now becomes no more than another election issue - Labour try to woo scottish voters back next year by pledging to keep the 'vow' made the other day, Tories try to stem the UKIP tide by reneging on any implied promises. How can the 45% of disaffected Scots hold this government to account? They were never going to vote Tory anyway so why would Cameron have any interest in pandering to them rather than the interests of UKIP voting cunts?
Really disappointed.
― Blandford Forum, Friday, 19 September 2014 09:20 (ten years ago) link
Worded it far worse than usual (what can you expect at 4.30 am). This is what the BBC person was saying. Working class + SNP = Ayrshire expected to vote YES, I think. xp
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 19 September 2014 09:21 (ten years ago) link
So what are we saying here, the middle classes scuppered it?
Maybe they weren't bothered about all the oil money going to the home counties in the end?
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 19 September 2014 09:22 (ten years ago) link
That's a person who had no knowledge of Ayrshire speaking (xp). I have a fear that Cameron is going to do a Teflon Tony and come out unscathed. Tories will win the election now, I think.
― FYI Macedonia (Tom D.), Friday, 19 September 2014 09:26 (ten years ago) link
I've always said it, give me Glasgow, the rest of Scotland I can take or leave, though a lot of it is very nice to look at.
― FYI Macedonia (Tom D.), Friday, 19 September 2014 09:28 (ten years ago) link
I was just going to ask you what areas of Scotland apart from Glasgow you like Tom.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 19 September 2014 09:30 (ten years ago) link
I have a fear that Cameron is going to do a Teflon Tony and come out unscathed. Tories will win the election now, I think.
taking credit for "keeping the union together" i can see it now, barf
― lex pretend, Friday, 19 September 2014 09:40 (ten years ago) link
not sure too many people will buy that, what with all the grovelling and the fact that Gordon Brown had to come to the rescue. Welcome to our new Boris overlord, I think.
― Barry Gordy (Neil S), Friday, 19 September 2014 09:41 (ten years ago) link
Then again, there's a lot of "Gordon Brown won it" going around. (xpost)
Cameron was all "God, I can still look the Queen in the eye"
― Mark G, Friday, 19 September 2014 09:42 (ten years ago) link
Is there a youtube video of Beaker from the muppet show surrounded by party streamers going off?
Just wondered..
― Mark G, Friday, 19 September 2014 09:43 (ten years ago) link
"God, I can still look the Queen in the eye"
Something Gordon Brown always found a physical problem.
― and she's crying in a stairwell in Devon (aldo), Friday, 19 September 2014 09:44 (ten years ago) link
Cameron will be waving the English flag furiously from now till the election.
― FYI Macedonia (Tom D.), Friday, 19 September 2014 09:44 (ten years ago) link
Glasgow 54% / 46%Edinburgh 39% / 61%
That's Scotland for you!
― FYI Macedonia (Tom D.), Friday, 19 September 2014 09:46 (ten years ago) link
Which way round?
See, there's still time:
If he reneges on promises, then he gets implicated directly.
If he delivers, then it's Gordon that will get the plaudits.
― Mark G, Friday, 19 September 2014 09:48 (ten years ago) link
Cameron can't credibly claim he held the union together, the accepted narrative seems to be 'almost managed to lose the union, which literally nobody expected to happen 3 months ago, and only held onto it thanks to Gordon Brown and making a load of promises which none of the rest of his party agreed with'
― Blandford Forum, Friday, 19 September 2014 09:48 (ten years ago) link
I don't know how the Tories will win the election. They didn't win the last one for starters.
Even with a Labour victory it will be harder for them as there are plans to extinguish the Scottish influence @ Westminster.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 19 September 2014 09:48 (ten years ago) link
Scotland is back in its box now so everyone can get back to proving how much more they hate immigrants and welfare than everyone else in time for the gen election
― Blandford Forum, Friday, 19 September 2014 09:50 (ten years ago) link
Can see Labour losing seats galore in Scotland.
― FYI Macedonia (Tom D.), Friday, 19 September 2014 09:51 (ten years ago) link
Too late really but:
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bx2cCZBCUAITY9T.jpg
― Mark G, Friday, 19 September 2014 09:54 (ten years ago) link
Does this make an EU referendum less likely? Scottish client claims the country is far more pro EU than England and that anything likely to further deteriorate ties between Westminster and Scotland, like leaving Europe, might be pushed into the long grass for now, but that might be wishful thinking.
― Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Friday, 19 September 2014 09:56 (ten years ago) link
http://www.newstatesman.com/sites/default/files/images/455686000.jpg
― ambient yacht god (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 19 September 2014 10:00 (ten years ago) link
for anyone wanting an analysis of the nightmarish constitutional thicket of the next five or six years: http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2014/09/19/political-and-constitutional-turbulence-in-the-uk-looks-set-to-continue-to-2020/
― Barry Gordy (Neil S), Friday, 19 September 2014 10:35 (ten years ago) link
(xxp) Wishful thinking. Can see an anti-Scottish backlash brewing among Tory MPs, who are itching to put these uppity Scots (back) in their place.
At work this morning was watching some news coverage and a guy, who obviously didn't know I was Scottish, walked by shook his fist at the screen and said, "Bastards! They should have voted yes then we'd have gotten rid of the sods!" LOLz.
― FYI Macedonia (Tom D.), Friday, 19 September 2014 11:12 (ten years ago) link
Fucking silent majority can cut all that clapping out
― stet, Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:23 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i love this post
― caek, Friday, 19 September 2014 12:31 (ten years ago) link
― lex pretend, Friday, September 19, 2014 5:40 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i don't think this is a votewinner tbh. i mean it will energize people who vote tory anyway, but have been lost to UKIP, but otherwise it's not going to win general elections.
― caek, Friday, 19 September 2014 12:32 (ten years ago) link
re quebec, have people seen the questions posed? good grief.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_referendum,_1980#The_questionhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_referendum,_1995#Referendum_question
that wording makes me proud to be british
― caek, Friday, 19 September 2014 12:33 (ten years ago) link
Yep. Van Horn Street OTM that there's something to be said for the Clarity Act.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 19 September 2014 13:07 (ten years ago) link
I kind of had a "you can do that?" reaction when I saw the question posed in this referendum.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 19 September 2014 13:10 (ten years ago) link
― FYI Macedonia (Tom D.), Friday, September 19, 2014 5:46 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
can someone compare glasgow and edinburgh to american cities for me so i understand
― lag∞n, Friday, 19 September 2014 13:45 (ten years ago) link
detroit and boston
― Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Friday, 19 September 2014 13:47 (ten years ago) link
Hardeep Kohli (in the BBC studio) giving a pretty angry speech: nothing changes, food banks go on, 'project fear' wins, shit getting real at 5am..
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 19 September 2014 05:16 (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that is cool stuff from a glasgow slumlord
http://www.heraldscotland.com/comedian-singh-kohli-s-rented-glasgow-flats-grubby-and-dirty-1.881896
― Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Friday, 19 September 2014 13:51 (ten years ago) link
― Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Friday, September 19, 2014 9:47 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oof
― lag∞n, Friday, 19 September 2014 13:54 (ten years ago) link
how long will Sean Connery live now?
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 September 2014 14:04 (ten years ago) link
I'm more worried about Alasdair Gray.
― Alba, Friday, 19 September 2014 14:06 (ten years ago) link
Finally, someone calling this sham by its real name: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/19/russia-calls-foul-scottish-referendum
― Barry Gordy (Neil S), Friday, 19 September 2014 14:12 (ten years ago) link
... and sex pest, guy's a fucking wank.
― FYI Macedonia (Tom D.), Friday, 19 September 2014 14:20 (ten years ago) link
the wank that likes to say 'yes'
― soref, Friday, 19 September 2014 14:47 (ten years ago) link
Was about to add 'and sex pest ' too. Amazed he is still let on TV.
― Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Friday, 19 September 2014 14:49 (ten years ago) link
Salmond resigns...
― Blandford Forum, Friday, 19 September 2014 15:10 (ten years ago) link
Didn't see that coming.
― Alba, Friday, 19 September 2014 15:11 (ten years ago) link
No stomach to merely hold Westminster to account on the last min mish-mash of promises, when the alternative was to perhaps tough it out w/millions through a 10+ year transition. So close and so far...so who could blame him.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 19 September 2014 15:24 (ten years ago) link
is interesting he mentioned the march second reading thing just priorbtw i wasn't in this thread all through the campaign but i'm really sad for scotland, it felt so promising
― schlump, Friday, 19 September 2014 15:30 (ten years ago) link
http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2014/09/19/james-meek/the-morning-after/
^ I don't believe that Cameron is intelligent enough to pull the set of manipulations required.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 19 September 2014 15:45 (ten years ago) link
He is
― FYI Macedonia (Tom D.), Friday, 19 September 2014 15:54 (ten years ago) link
― FYI Macedonia (Tom D.), Friday, September 19, 2014 9:44 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
That's from no less and authority than, uh, me.
― FYI Macedonia (Tom D.), Friday, 19 September 2014 15:55 (ten years ago) link
Things are getting out of hand at George Square, by the twitter looks of it...
― ambient yacht god (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 19 September 2014 20:23 (ten years ago) link
who is causing trouble?
― strychnine, Friday, 19 September 2014 20:47 (ten years ago) link
seems like unionist/rangers/fascist types. But probably not much worse than normal in Glasgow. Police keeping both sides separated (I wish the 'Yes' supporters would go home and leave the OO types to drink themselves unconscious or turn on each other)
― Spaceport Leuchars (dowd), Friday, 19 September 2014 20:53 (ten years ago) link
Supposedly it's the unionists, 'celebrating' their victory. Seen vines of them trying start fires, seen people doing heil Hitler next to the Cenotaph, burning saltires.
― ambient yacht god (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 19 September 2014 20:53 (ten years ago) link