the scottish independence referendum

I don't know how the Tories will win the election. They didn't win the last one for starters.

Even with a Labour victory it will be harder for them as there are plans to extinguish the Scottish influence @ Westminster.

Scotland is back in its box now so everyone can get back to proving how much more they hate immigrants and welfare than everyone else in time for the gen election

Can see Labour losing seats galore in Scotland.

Too late really but:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bx2cCZBCUAITY9T.jpg

Does this make an EU referendum less likely? Scottish client claims the country is far more pro EU than England and that anything likely to further deteriorate ties between Westminster and Scotland, like leaving Europe, might be pushed into the long grass for now, but that might be wishful thinking.

http://www.newstatesman.com/sites/default/files/images/455686000.jpg

for anyone wanting an analysis of the nightmarish constitutional thicket of the next five or six years: http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2014/09/19/political-and-constitutional-turbulence-in-the-uk-looks-set-to-continue-to-2020/

(xxp) Wishful thinking. Can see an anti-Scottish backlash brewing among Tory MPs, who are itching to put these uppity Scots (back) in their place.

At work this morning was watching some news coverage and a guy, who obviously didn't know I was Scottish, walked by shook his fist at the screen and said, "Bastards! They should have voted yes then we'd have gotten rid of the sods!" LOLz.

Fucking silent majority can cut all that clapping out

― stet, Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:23 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i love this post

taking credit for "keeping the union together" i can see it now, barf

― lex pretend, Friday, September 19, 2014 5:40 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't think this is a votewinner tbh. i mean it will energize people who vote tory anyway, but have been lost to UKIP, but otherwise it's not going to win general elections.

re quebec, have people seen the questions posed? good grief.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_referendum,_1980#The_question
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_referendum,_1995#Referendum_question

that wording makes me proud to be british

Yep. Van Horn Street OTM that there's something to be said for the Clarity Act.

I kind of had a "you can do that?" reaction when I saw the question posed in this referendum.

Glasgow 54% / 46%
Edinburgh 39% / 61%

That's Scotland for you!

― FYI Macedonia (Tom D.), Friday, September 19, 2014 5:46 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

can someone compare glasgow and edinburgh to american cities for me so i understand

detroit and boston

Hardeep Kohli (in the BBC studio) giving a pretty angry speech: nothing changes, food banks go on, 'project fear' wins, shit getting real at 5am..

― xyzzzz__, Friday, 19 September 2014 05:16 (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that is cool stuff from a glasgow slumlord

http://www.heraldscotland.com/comedian-singh-kohli-s-rented-glasgow-flats-grubby-and-dirty-1.881896

detroit and boston

― Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Friday, September 19, 2014 9:47 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oof

how long will Sean Connery live now?

I'm more worried about Alasdair Gray.

Finally, someone calling this sham by its real name: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/19/russia-calls-foul-scottish-referendum

that is cool stuff from a glasgow slumlord

... and sex pest, guy's a fucking wank.

the wank that likes to say 'yes'

Was about to add 'and sex pest ' too. Amazed he is still let on TV.

Salmond resigns...

Didn't see that coming.

No stomach to merely hold Westminster to account on the last min mish-mash of promises, when the alternative was to perhaps tough it out w/millions through a 10+ year transition. So close and so far...so who could blame him.

is interesting he mentioned the march second reading thing just prior
btw i wasn't in this thread all through the campaign but i'm really sad for scotland, it felt so promising

http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2014/09/19/james-meek/the-morning-after/

^ I don't believe that Cameron is intelligent enough to pull the set of manipulations required.

He is

Cameron will be waving the English flag furiously from now till the election.

― FYI Macedonia (Tom D.), Friday, September 19, 2014 9:44 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That's from no less and authority than, uh, me.

Things are getting out of hand at George Square, by the twitter looks of it...

who is causing trouble?

seems like unionist/rangers/fascist types. But probably not much worse than normal in Glasgow. Police keeping both sides separated (I wish the 'Yes' supporters would go home and leave the OO types to drink themselves unconscious or turn on each other)

Supposedly it's the unionists, 'celebrating' their victory. Seen vines of them trying start fires, seen people doing heil Hitler next to the Cenotaph, burning saltires.

A yes supporter has been stabbed. Buchanan Street closed off.

burning saltires

burning what? i don't even know this word!
what else is going on in scotland today? how's the mood?

Saltire is the flag of Scotland.

The saltire is the Scottish flag.

Xp

oh sorry! i didn't know that
my mistake!
i shoulda looked it up

Nah no prob! I'm curious myself about the mood today, any Scottish ilxors want to weigh in?

Never understood winners going out and being violent. Totally bizarre.

the cheek of cameron to moot the exclusion of scottish MPs from voting on english legislation right after explaining how great it is that scotland is part of one big happy united kingdom is almost heroically dickish

Trouble in Glasgow

Posted at 22:54

A Police Scotland spokesperson confirms three arrests have been made so far following trouble across Glasgow this evening. Investigations are under way and officers will be conducting enquiries retrospectively which could lead to further arrests.

Following rumours on Twitter of a stabbing on Buchanan Street, Police Scotland say no-one has given them any information on such an incident.

twitter says it is Rangers fans not no voters. Just a facebook organised mob looking for an excuse for trouble.

Any evidence those two groups are mutually exclusive?

no idea just commenting

from twitter
https://vine.co/v/OWPzrhni0Aj/embed

I'll always remember the 19th September 2014 as the morning the UK had smoked Salmond for breakfast.

https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=smoked%20salmond&src=tyah

would be good if we could ignore the small number of irrelevant fascist bawbags who've taken to the streets but unfortunately fascist bawbags tend to make themselves heard