say more, i'm interested...
― I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 19 September 2014 21:28 (nine years ago) link
the story itself is more like 'hey here's a guy who's totally crazy, follow him down the rabbithole while he thinks he's solving the Zodiac case'
the facts of the murders as they stand are pretty well depicted, but everything else is pretty much Graysmith-ian
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 19 September 2014 21:43 (nine years ago) link
we've discussed this--extensively, i think--but the murder by the lake is one of the most terrifying things i've seen in a film
― I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 19 September 2014 21:50 (nine years ago) link
otm
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 19 September 2014 21:53 (nine years ago) link
― I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, September 19, 2014 9:28 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
well he didn't solve the second cipher, no one has. but there's a scene in the movie where a reporter interviews Graysmith on TV announcing he solved it, with an admiring Paul Avery watching it in a bar.
Then there's the scene with the Paul Stine witnesses where they make it sound like it was just some dumb kids who didn't get a good look at him (I think the similar description from a cop is just ignored), the way they just dismiss the fingerprint evidence, the rather silly excuses for the handwriting evidence (e.g. writing left handed).
When I saw the movie I didn't know anything about the case and it's amazing to watch it a second time and see how hard it strains to make Graysmith's theory viable.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 19 September 2014 21:53 (nine years ago) link
the attack at Lake Berryessa is totally disturbing and as unglamorous a staging of the event as you could make.
And yes, the Lake Berryessa sequence was the scariest murder scene I can think of, from any film. Just horrifying.
the one by the lake was v scary but,
the lake murder and the roadside abduction sequences were horrifying and great.
lake berryessa stabbing is so hellishly realistic...the dull thuds of each stab, his faint grunting each time...every tiny detail is so horrifying
the sequence with the murder by the lake is utterly terrifying
the lake scene is really disturbing but
the lake scene is terrifying, but
― I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 19 September 2014 21:56 (nine years ago) link
haha
yeah that scene is really stomach-turning in a no-nonsense way
― Οὖτις, Friday, 19 September 2014 22:04 (nine years ago) link
no music makes it so much worse.
― Brio2, Friday, 19 September 2014 22:39 (nine years ago) link
i heard the original cut had it scored to "mr. blue sky"
― I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 19 September 2014 23:25 (nine years ago) link
the way that scene puts you in the minds of the victims is really masterful filmmaking, especially when you see him like they must have first seen him, from far away, in the daytime, with his homemade costume and his tool belt and you're like "is this fucking guy serious or what?" and then horrors just keep building.
― slam dunk, Friday, 19 September 2014 23:58 (nine years ago) link
There's even a great moment of levity in that scene, the way the guy corrects his girlfriend on what his major is.
― clemenza, Saturday, 20 September 2014 00:00 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFN4Bb7wcog
― I dunno. (amateurist), Saturday, 20 September 2014 00:17 (nine years ago) link
I love that first scene with Ruffalo and Edwards at the Paul Stine crime scene, when Ruffalo kind of walks into the middle of street. He's presented with what should be a standard cab robbery/murder, with eyewitnesses and a suspect probably still in the neighborhood, and yet from the very beginning nothing makes sense and he just has this look of befuddled frustration.
― Welcome to my spooooooky carnival! Hope I don't... blow your mind! (Phil D.), Saturday, 20 September 2014 01:14 (nine years ago) link
You guys are making me take this one off the shelf.
― You and Dad's Army? (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 20 September 2014 01:18 (nine years ago) link
Still amazed at the FX in this. That aforementioned scene, post cab murder ... that making of still blows me away.
I can barely post this enough:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sZS8OVyVr4
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 September 2014 01:48 (nine years ago) link
― clemenza, Friday, September 19, 2014 7:00 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
weren't they on their first or second date?
everything about that incident is gut wrenching
― I dunno. (amateurist), Saturday, 20 September 2014 04:43 (nine years ago) link
and yeah fincher is the master at using FX in the most discreet, unspectacular ways. in fact his team pioneered some important aspects of what's now standard workflow on higher-budget films, for which FX is now fully integrated into production from day one, even if the film isn't what we think of as an FX film. i taught girl w/ dragon tattoo for just this aspect of his work.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Saturday, 20 September 2014 04:50 (nine years ago) link
I'd like to know more about that, are there any good articles or videos online?
― nate woolls, Saturday, 20 September 2014 10:11 (nine years ago) link
He just films everything with a green screen in back, just in case.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 September 2014 11:50 (nine years ago) link
I'm pretty good at not watching violent scenes and sensing when they're about to happen, so I haven't seen the lakeside scene but saw the expression on the face of my date watching it. Felt like we'd seen two different movies afterwards.
Fincher knowing the Bay Area so well and having so many emotional ties to its geography seems like a central part of why this works so well.
― the man with the black wigs (Eazy), Saturday, 20 September 2014 14:30 (nine years ago) link
Every time this thread gets resurrected, I end up watching the film again.
Couldn't have been: early in the clip above, the girls says "We were here last spring, remember?"
― clemenza, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 22:44 (nine years ago) link
IRL hadn't they already broken up and were just hanging out as friends?
― A solid little house from the p-funk boys (I am using your worlds), Wednesday, 24 September 2014 07:19 (nine years ago) link
and twat
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 September 2014 10:52 (nine years ago) link
Will he ever make a better movie than this?
― Re-Make/Re-Model, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 12:17 (nine years ago) link
I don't know
― you'll never guac amole (wins), Wednesday, 24 September 2014 12:18 (nine years ago) link
he has
goddamn me for this latest revive btw
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 September 2014 12:24 (nine years ago) link
I watched the girl with &c the other day, it was rubbish. So was the Swedish one tho
― you'll never guac amole (wins), Wednesday, 24 September 2014 12:27 (nine years ago) link
probably not
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 16:09 (nine years ago) link
he's doing Gone Girl which could really go either way, has potential for something interesting but won't rival Zodiac
― Brio2, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 16:18 (nine years ago) link
>:(
Gyllenhaal is apparently in town filming Zodiac 2, a followup to the 2007 Zodiac telling the story of a serial killer who stalked San Francisco residents.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 3 December 2015 18:49 (eight years ago) link
that's a joke, right?
never has the Electric Boogaloo chestnut been more badly needed
― Sancho Panzer (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 December 2015 18:50 (eight years ago) link
zodiac harder
― hand of jehuty and the blowfish (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 3 December 2015 21:41 (eight years ago) link
2 Zod 2 Iac
― Boz Scaggs was Adele back in 1976 (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 3 December 2015 21:54 (eight years ago) link
2odiac
― Karl Rove Knausgård (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 3 December 2015 21:55 (eight years ago) link
'Ac is Back
― kevin smith what a bro (Myonga Vön Bontee), Thursday, 3 December 2015 21:59 (eight years ago) link
The Zodiackening
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 4 December 2015 04:32 (eight years ago) link
Thread:https://twitter.com/RealGDT/status/838415427424387072
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 06:54 (seven years ago) link
good stuff. GDT otm
― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 07:00 (seven years ago) link
missing this important tweet
Guillermo del ToroVerified @RealGDTZodiac is a "One Sock Movie" meaning: you're getting dressed- you catch it on TV and sit down (one sock in hand) and watch it until the end.
― Number None, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 07:25 (seven years ago) link
It's a one sock movie alright. For wankers.
― The Perks of Being a Wall St R (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 08:21 (seven years ago) link
so rong it makes me think you're in on this somehow
― barry snappleton (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 09:22 (seven years ago) link
it's a one sock movie alright. for transfemoral amputees.
― frankie r. failson (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 09:28 (seven years ago) link
It was just something to say on a Tuesday morning.
But I found this a dull, grey movie.
― The Perks of Being a Wall St R (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 10:42 (seven years ago) link
opening shot alone says no
― barry snappleton (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 11:31 (seven years ago) link
sorry, pointless argument, something to say on a Tuesday morning
― barry snappleton (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 11:37 (seven years ago) link
Tuesday morning needs its own thread
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 11:38 (seven years ago) link
That's the spare truth right there
― The Perks of Being a Wall St R (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 11:47 (seven years ago) link
not to come across all cap'n save-a-dullard but i think there is a deliberate dullness to much of the back half of zodiac that contributes hugely to the movie - after the immaculately staged and shot murders at the beginning, the characters start to unravel and get tied up in endless, frustrating miniutiae.
then it's punctuated occasionally with a new zodiac letter or the totally magnetic interview with arthur lee allen, where the cops know they're within inches of getting their guy... and they don't. investigations are tough and boring and sometimes massively exciting and there are very few movies which communicate that as clearly as zodiac does
― frankie r. failson (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 11:56 (seven years ago) link
for real, I think that's all otm and I think it's a great movie but I'm not in the business of selling it to the unconverted
― barry snappleton (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 12:07 (seven years ago) link