Semi serious answer: Paparazzi photography is literally wildlife photography
― 龜, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 17:00 (nine years ago) link
fair point, and it has got stylistic connections to street photography
― Chimp Arsons, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 17:02 (nine years ago) link
unless a subject is posing (or at least pre-consenting) in some fashion, maybe they're always effectively wildlife
― Chimp Arsons, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 17:03 (nine years ago) link
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n19/james-meek/in-farageland
^ Haven't read this yet.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 17:57 (nine years ago) link
we're a farage band we come from farage land
― intelligent, expressive males within the greater metropolitan (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 21:31 (nine years ago) link
nick you are making brighton sound like an absurdity stranded between cliff-faces and rural or meta-rural hinterlands with only the umbilical link to civilization afforded by the a23 and the railway
― Contrappunto dialettico alla mente (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 21:35 (nine years ago) link
Why does street photography always have a suggestion (in this DW case a lot more than a suggestion) of the grotesque?i suspect the answer is connected with my strong sense that we almost never see the middle or upper classes photographed in the style of a wildlife documentary― Chimp Arsons, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 16:54 (4 hours ago) Permalinkwhich is to say that whatever dignity or agency you believe street photographers afford their subjects, there is no real equivalent genre treatment of the non-marginalized― Chimp Arsons, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 16:56 (4 hours ago) Permalink
i suspect the answer is connected with my strong sense that we almost never see the middle or upper classes photographed in the style of a wildlife documentary
― Chimp Arsons, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 16:54 (4 hours ago) Permalink
which is to say that whatever dignity or agency you believe street photographers afford their subjects, there is no real equivalent genre treatment of the non-marginalized
― Chimp Arsons, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 16:56 (4 hours ago) Permalink
http://www.ampelos31.fr/le-blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Ray_jones.jpg
― everything, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 21:38 (nine years ago) link
Tony Ray-Jones is the go-to for this stuff right? He photographed all types - not just working class folks at Blackpool.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3XcHU_FRJpA/TiK6G1Nrn1I/AAAAAAAABEw/x97KjKFSIY8/s1600/tony+5.jpg
― everything, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 21:40 (nine years ago) link
http://c300221.r21.cf1.rackcdn.com/tony-ray-jones-gentlemen-at-a-wwi-veteran-parade-c-1966-1362348073_org.jpg
― everything, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 21:41 (nine years ago) link
Or he was able to foreground something else - that could be the humour generated by the situation he was depicting, or a couple showing affection.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 23:06 (nine years ago) link
I have a book of his photos and it's pretty clear that at least the ones collected in that volume were supposed to show the English "at play" and class, hedonism or the grotesque had nothing to do with his choice of subjects. Also, the British seaside which makes up maybe 2/3 of the book was not exclusively working class then or now.
― everything, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 23:48 (nine years ago) link
I agree that the feeling of the grotesque is not there in Tony Ray-Jones. On the other hand, would a little of it have been there if I was looking at his photos in 1968? When looking at his photos now, a lot of my attention is taken over by the fact they are historical documents, which may overpower other perceptions. Maybe people looking at those Shoreditch photos in fifty or a hundred years will find them to be fascinating on a historical level, and they will be less (or not) interested in whether they are accurate or fair.
But, on the other hand, is it possible that, broadly, people in the west may actually have become a bit more grotesque since 1968 and this is partly the problem? The people in the Ray-Jones photos do generally seem a bit more dignified.
Another factor is technical. A lot of the modern amateur street photography looks very pumped-up with processing. (But, again, maybe in fifty years the 'hard digital/photoshop' look of today will be seen as a historical style with its own charm.)
Finally, maybe people generally look better standing still or at rest than when they are hurrying around or caught suddenly unawares by a photographer in their face.
― dubmill, Thursday, 2 October 2014 08:27 (nine years ago) link
Also, the British seaside which makes up maybe 2/3 of the book was not exclusively working class then or now.
I found v little of a discernible agenda in those photos (the weakness in that exhibition were the diary entries; there was v little insight to be gained from them, and it felt intrusive). If anything it is that the summer seaside holiday allowed for events to be documented -- could be a fair, or a rock festival (iirc) -- and people were at play in them, they would behaved differently from their stuffy selves.
Brings to mind this bit from the LRB:
In her 1938 novel The Death of the Heart, Elizabeth Bowen describes a train trip from London to the Kent seaside. It’s one of the most extraordinary journeys in English literature. Without stretching the bounds of the real, she takes her young protagonist, Portia, from a 19th-century milieu – a stuffy, oppressive, metropolitan townhouse, gloomy with servants, sexual frustration, snobbery, hypocrisy and heavy furniture – to a bright 20th-century world of freedom, consumerism and erotic risk.
However people behave differently on holiday so I'm not sure whether it is even very historical. It doesn't seem alien to me. Ray-Jones was able to capture certain emotions that feel accurate and fair and strong.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 2 October 2014 09:15 (nine years ago) link
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Smith_Dinner.jpg
23 July 1990 Ian Smith makes a point at a dinner organised in his honour by Denis Walker (far left) at Lympne Castle, Kent, July 23, 1990. Smith is flanked by Nicholas and Anne Winterton, both MPs, and Rhodesian flags.
― C21H23NO5 (nakhchivan), Thursday, 2 October 2014 16:23 (nine years ago) link
ive posted some shit from that persons wikipedia contributions itt before, its a treasure trove
― C21H23NO5 (nakhchivan), Thursday, 2 October 2014 16:24 (nine years ago) link
sometimes you assume every conservative mp is a 42 yr old with an mba from an american university and a six year stint at pricewaterhousecoopers and then you realize revenants like this are still in the house of commons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Winterton
― C21H23NO5 (nakhchivan), Thursday, 2 October 2014 16:30 (nine years ago) link
Lympne Castle is a medieval castle located near the village of Lympne, Kent, above Romney Marsh.
Today, it is used primarily as a venue for corporate events and weddings. It is generally not open to the public. The Estate Manager is Rod Aspinall. Lympne Castle is believed to be haunted, and has attracted mediums and ghost-hunters over the years.
― C21H23NO5 (nakhchivan), Thursday, 2 October 2014 16:48 (nine years ago) link
https://www.facebook.com/CongletonPanto
― mattresslessness, Thursday, 2 October 2014 16:52 (nine years ago) link
hi im new here
― mattresslessness, Thursday, 2 October 2014 16:55 (nine years ago) link
The thread has moved on a bit but Martin Parr did have his "Luxury" project and so on:
http://www.photography-now.com/images/Bilder/gross/24721.jpghttp://thedrawbridge.org.uk/images/article-images/2196_featurepicture2_1.jpghttp://jherrig.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/parrlux2.jpg
Not going to claim that they're good photos but they're there
― the Kazakh noun/adjective distinction (seandalai), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:30 (nine years ago) link
thread missing Pumpkin Cafe
― 𝑤𝑖𝑚𝑝𝑙𝑒 𠁢 (+ +), Thursday, 2 October 2014 22:53 (nine years ago) link
http://s27.postimg.org/htaiwx277/Greggs_Costa_Duoply.png
― 𝑤𝑖𝑚𝑝𝑙𝑒 𠁢 (+ +), Friday, 3 October 2014 22:06 (nine years ago) link
the A2(M) is very real but I am not sure it is the realest motorway in England. what, then, is
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 3 October 2014 22:09 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4KGxDi-jvk
― C21H23NO5 (nakhchivan), Friday, 3 October 2014 23:04 (nine years ago) link
just about the least real autechre track though
― C21H23NO5 (nakhchivan), Friday, 3 October 2014 23:07 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLbB9S_iwtQ
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 3 October 2014 23:08 (nine years ago) link
doves covering king crimson. so unreal it might be real again
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 3 October 2014 23:09 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/SZ35Ny0.png
― oppet, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:39 (nine years ago) link
Crucial to understanding recent events
http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/dj_waxes_lyrical_about_frinton_gates_1_76906
― DG, Wednesday, 22 October 2014 18:06 (nine years ago) link
haha what a dork
loool @ the florist's business name in the prev post
― joie de marsh (imago), Wednesday, 22 October 2014 18:11 (nine years ago) link
None realer than Frinton. It's an open-air mausoleum
― DG, Wednesday, 22 October 2014 18:25 (nine years ago) link
http://i4.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/incoming/article8009954.ece/alternates/s615/JS49533376.jpg
― well-behaved wingmen really hate Mystery (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 11:54 (nine years ago) link
GIS search for "Khantucky Grilled Chicken" in West Hull coming up dry
― The Falun Gong Show (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 11:56 (nine years ago) link
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a82/bobbysixer/IMG_2551_zps7ccb5e87.jpg
― Twist of Caliphate (Bob Six), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 13:14 (nine years ago) link
Camden tourists advertising ILE
there are ways to mute the shutter sound you know
― well-behaved wingmen really hate Mystery (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 14:54 (nine years ago) link
love how were having a great Real England then Bob Six wanders in with his morning's pervings. I mean, nothing really against it but it's off-topic y'know
― pecker shrivellage (imago), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 14:57 (nine years ago) link
maybe take it to 'too much time on ilx'? more americans there, they'll appreciate your transgressive exposé
― pecker shrivellage (imago), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 14:59 (nine years ago) link
it's a little bit importunate to take photographs of people in that sort of setting
― the final twilight of all evaluative standpoints (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 15:40 (nine years ago) link
Bobble hat fetishists disrupting threads just as genuine dialectical progress being made...Every. Single. Time.
Sigh.
― Twist of Caliphate (Bob Six), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 19:27 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBtd3H3Qdi8&feature=youtu.be
― The Falun Gong Show (Noodle Vague), Friday, 31 October 2014 10:44 (nine years ago) link
Thanks for putting the thread back on course.
― Twist of Caliphate (Bob Six), Friday, 31 October 2014 10:52 (nine years ago) link
just doing my job sir
― The Falun Gong Show (Noodle Vague), Friday, 31 October 2014 10:54 (nine years ago) link
This is Mohammed Azam Yaqoob aka "Mr Sparkles" (the name of his modest car wash business in Dewsbury) and a convicted heroin trafficker. I know an Asian guy who grew up with Mohammed and described him as "thick as fuck" and a "disgrace to his great family". I like the guy and tbf it takes some intelligence to become a major drug trafficker and I always root for the maligned odd one out of a successful family. Of his siblings; one brother is an eminent surgeon at St James hospital, the other brother is the governor of Wakefield prison, one sister runs a successful chain of dentists and the other is a barrister.http://i4.examiner.co.uk/incoming/article7770288.ece/alternates/s615/JS46327222.jpg
― xelab, Friday, 31 October 2014 20:49 (nine years ago) link
that front garden should be finished by the time he comes out
― The Falun Gong Show (Noodle Vague), Friday, 31 October 2014 20:52 (nine years ago) link
He never got planning permission and it is in more on the Ukip side of the Mirfield/Ravensthorpe borderlands so it is a focal point for local outrage and for years it has been rumoured there will be a demolition order. When he gets out if it doesn't get pulled down he will struggle to sell it because of it's frequent local rag ubiquity.
― xelab, Friday, 31 October 2014 21:09 (nine years ago) link
xelab that is the best of all of your posts
― Chetniks in Šumadija kill a Partisan through heart extraction.jpg (nakhchivan), Friday, 31 October 2014 21:17 (nine years ago) link
Yaqoob, of North Road, Ravensthorpe, was jailed for nine years and four months after pleading guilty to conspiracy to supply class A drugs at an earlier hearing.
Ten years ago, he was at the centre of a planning row over a £1m house in Huddersfield Road, Mirfield, allegedly built without planning permission.
Kirklees Council ordered it to be pulled down but Yaqoob overturned the decision on appeal.
― Chetniks in Šumadija kill a Partisan through heart extraction.jpg (nakhchivan), Friday, 31 October 2014 21:18 (nine years ago) link
just a mensch in so many categories....opportunistic drug trafficker, exurban mansion builder, scorner of good taste, successful planning appeal litigant, confiscation order refusenik
got a lot of love for these sorts of spivs and chancers
― Chetniks in Šumadija kill a Partisan through heart extraction.jpg (nakhchivan), Friday, 31 October 2014 21:22 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/fEtGGiP.jpg
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2014/10/24/wanted-16m-heroin-haul-suspects-sought-by-police-after-oldbury-raid/
― Chetniks in Šumadija kill a Partisan through heart extraction.jpg (nakhchivan), Friday, 31 October 2014 21:25 (nine years ago) link