Twin Peaks: Classic or Dud?

Only Mulders.

Lara Flynn Boyle and Kyle MacLachlan had dated throughout the show's run and then had a rough break up before FWWM.

She also was jealous of the relationship that the writers were suggesting between Audrey Horne and Dale Cooper, and had threatened to quit the show because of it.

oh what a fun idea

twin peaks as mulder run amok

It would be amazing if Flynn Boyle came onboard for the revive and no overt todo was made in the show regarding her appearance. Donna has already had two faces, this could be the third.

Ha I also watched the X-Files pilot the other day and it felt very Twin Peaks-y, mainly because they go to Washington (state) for their investigation.

someone photoshop this

http://www.thepaepae.com/wp-uploads/2012/02/three-faces-of-eve.jpg

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Having only seen series 1 and FWWM, I don't remember most of these female characters. Were there lots of characters exclusive to series 2?

Who is the actress on the right of the rolling stone cover?

Sherilynn Fenn was not in FWWM due to shooting conflicts with Gary Sinise's adaptation of Of Mice And Men (w/ Malkovich as Lenny).

Who is the actress on the right of the rolling stone cover?

The actress is Madchen Amick, we don't meet her until the pilot episode.

I hope Bobby Briggs comes back. He was a hilarious character and very well acted.

(Now somebody's going to tell me that he died in one of the later S2 episodes that I haven't seen.)

the guy who played major briggs died btw

as did the guy who played bob

and the guy who played the mayor

and the guy who played the giant (I think)

and the guy who played the old waiter (who is hank worden, and was over 90 years old at the time of filming IIRC)

they will all presumably be resurrected via CGI

the guy who played major briggs died btw

oh man I didn't know this. that is a bummer. great character.

thank god Billy Zane is still alive

i think

RIP Don S. Davis (General Hammond, Major Briggs, Scully's father)

thank god Billy Zane is still alive

i think

I hate to break it to you, but there is no God.

I hope Bobby Briggs comes back. He was a hilarious character and very well acted.

waaaaaaat i get so annoyed every time bobby is on screen

i so lost interest in the leo subplot by the halfway point of 2

and the guy who played the giant (I think)

I thought so, too, but I checked the other day and he's still kicking.

Just realized that post makes it sound like I have him chained in my basement.

Bobby was the best

of the teenagers I'd rank em Audrey>Bobby>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everybody else

well excluding Laura there (didn't really care about Maddy)

Dana Ashbrook was def the cutest boy. (I missed his appearance here before a FWWM screening couple years back)

after all these years, i wonder how many of us have either read or seen the movie of Peyton Place, obv a huge takeoff point for both Blue Velvet and this. (Not me)

what other explicit refs are there besides Vertigo and The Patty Duke Show?

Well theres one eyed jacks

and on that note, the boy delinquents are much closer to Wild One Brando / Rebel Dean than anything from the subsequent 4 decades.

yeah the whole TV series has a deliberately anachronistic quality that the film diminishes somewhat

i have seen the movie and much of the TV show peyton place. i think anyone writing any extended piece about twin peaks who has not seen same is kind of derelict of duty.

there are bunch of references to preminger's LAURA. waldo lydecker, etc.

i mean part of the pleasure of twin peaks is seeing some of the more modern stuff in the show rub up against (heh, sometimes literally) the more anachronistic elements. that's probably why at the time a lot of people saw it as postmodern. although in the early 90s everybody called everything postmodern.

I read a piece on the Metalious novel not long ago, it seems like the kind of best seller that really provides a window into the psychic/ sexual anxieties of its era.

lol Peyton Place was referenced in this Masters of Sex episode I was watching the other night. Never watched it, only marginally aware of it but I guess it was a big deal?

also, Russ Tamblyn was in the movie!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Place_(novel)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Place_(film)#Critical_reception

yes, it was a huge deal

really worth watching honestly

btw my theory about the "invitation to love" stuff is that (aside from being pretty funny) it kind of "Others" the soap operas that Twin Peaks probably resembled more than its biggest fans might have wanted to admit. by putting an over-the-top soap opera in the world of the show it seeks to draw a distance between the two....

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yeah the show is filled with stunt casting -- both tamblyn and beymer were in west side story, of course.

I guess my first awareness of PP as a kid was its last days as a TV soap (long after Mia Farrow and Ryan O'Neal had left the cast).

Russ Tamblyn's PP character was sooooo gay.

right now i'm more tempted to read the novel as it's much dirtier of course

I hate bobby and James but I love hating them, hope they come back to annoy me more.

My only interface with PP is its rep (it was still being referred to fairly frequently when I was a teenager) and the awesome score by my man Waxman. I've still never seen the film.

PP was set in a New England town quite obviously derived from Grace Metalious' home in NH, and 50 years later they still hadn't forgiven her...

http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/pandora-in-blue-jeans-lives-on

Here's what Mark Frost had to say about Peyton Place (the movie) in the Twin Peaks oral history that came out recently (they were asked to watch it by an executive during the development process): "We hated it, we didn't even finish watching. We watched maybe half an hour. It was just a dead piece of work at that point. It said nothing to us of any relevance whatsoever and we looked at each other and said, "Why are we wasting our time with this?""

ha!

Bobby turns it up! Side! Down!

AAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN

lol

the milieu/concept is relevant to TP whether they hated it or not (nothing i've read about it suggests it's a good film)

If I recall, Audrey had maybe been blown to smithereens at the end of the series.

Yeah, I was alluding to this upthread when I said they had an explanation for why Pete is not there anymore... He and Audrey were inside the bank in the penultimate episode when it exploded, but when Lynch returned to do the final episode, he threw away the script, so inexplicably the bank explosion or Pete and Audrey's fate isn't even mentioned in the finale. The same applies to Ben Horne, who may or may not have been killed by Doc Hayward in a fight, but when the Doc appears later on, there's no mention of the fight or what happened to Ben. I know a lot of people laud the finale as the auteur's return of whatever, and it certainly has its moments, but IMO it was still a shitty thing for Lynch to totally ignore the fate of major characters in favour of 25 minutes of Red Room wankery.

Those cliffhanders are both in the last episode. I've read the initial script and its differences have been overstated -- basically the red room stuff was dumber and it had more Windom Earle, whereas Lynch just has Bob kill him.

Yeah, I forgot that the cliffhangers were in the last episode and not the one before that... But it's still weird that we get to see some the characters (including Doc Hayward) after the cliffhangers, and they don't mention the bank explosion or Ben Horne's possible death at all, even though you'd think everyone was talking about the fact that three or four prominent Twin Peaks residents have just died violently? I've always assumed that was because Lynch changed the script, but maybe it was like that in the original version too?

Also they weren't aware they were definitely writing the last episodes, although it must have been a looming possibility.

In fact I think Sherilyn Fenn said in interviews that, if a third series had been commissioned, her character was set to have survived the explosion. Hard to believe they'd just wipe that character out for the sake of it.

Yeah, I guess they thought the explosion and Ben's "death" were cliffhangers they could resolve in season three... But it still makes little sense that we have scenes that take place after them where they aren't mentioned at all, logically they should've taken place at the end of the episode. Maybe Lynch is to be blamed for that?

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