gonna say kingfish otm here as a PacNW-er
I'm regularly stunned to be living in such a beautiful place.
I feel this way a lot in Eugene
In my experience Portland is harder to drive around in w/o getting lost, but Seattle has worse traffic. don't know anything about housing costs.
― sleeve, Monday, 13 October 2014 02:21 (nine years ago) link
wmc you should visitlot of otm in this revive. seattle is more expensive but there are more job possibilities. both are changing and growing a lot. lxy counts cranes from i-5/mercer and saw 18 last week. having lived in both it is a mid-sized city vs big town choice. i've picked seattle but both are great
― alomar lines (anky), Monday, 13 October 2014 05:09 (nine years ago) link
I always feel like Portland is way easier drive around with the alphabetical street names north of Burnside in NW, the pretty solid grid with street addresses matching up with cross streets on the east side, etc. I always get the big east side east-west streets confused but just when I'm at my most lost I magically end up at the red BALKAN FOODS place at 39th and Belmont and can re-orient myself.
Seattle feels much weirder with more one-ways and diagonals and weird interruptions for water and hills and such.
― joygoat, Monday, 13 October 2014 06:44 (nine years ago) link
If this happens, I'll be moving solo. My wife absolutely refuses to be uprooted.
― Pict in a blanket (WilliamC), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 19:41 (nine years ago) link
I magically end up at the red BALKAN FOODS place at 39th and Belmont
ha this intersection is totally a kind of mystical navel
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 19:46 (nine years ago) link
as much as I wanna rep for my town, feel like moving away from portland was maybe the stupidest thing I've done in my non-romantic life
really miss aimlessly riding my bike about the place in the non-rain rain
― ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 19:48 (nine years ago) link
my ex and i visited both about a year ago. very positive experiences in each. my initial inclination is towards Seattle, as I wouldn't really know anyone in either and feel Seattle has a bit more to offer a single transient.
otoh my income isn't dependent on location, so i would certainly reconsider Portland if the cost of living proves more attractive. i also i have a good friend who spent all of the 90s there and visits bianually, so perhaps i could glom onto his social circle.
― sexxx attic (will), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 20:20 (nine years ago) link
I can think of worse ideas than the ILX West Non-Noize Colony.
― Pict in a blanket (WilliamC), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:21 (nine years ago) link
i've been in Nashville 4.5 months and i'm already annoyed. my short list of where to move next in no order of pref:
DCPhillySeattlePortlandNOLADenver (never actually spent any real time here. shld prob visit)
― sexxx attic (will), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:30 (nine years ago) link
Not to detour, but what part of Nashville are you in and what are you hating about it?
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:33 (nine years ago) link
East. "hate" is strong, but--rents are way out of proportion with actual quality of lifepublic transit is a joke (knew that going in though tbf)hipster libertarianstoo much whitey"boomtown" feel there is surprisingly shallow/ boring
― sexxx attic (will), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:48 (nine years ago) link
I lived there from 2001-2005 and just went back last year for the first time in a while to see some friends and was blown away by how the city has changed in the last (at the time) 8 years. East Nashville was not a place you used to want to get too deep into no matter what color you are. Gentrification has some downsides for sure, but it's good for East Nashville.
I guess your willingness to embrace it depends on how many people you know there, though. Once I moved away, several of my old friends actually moved TO there and in the years since I've made a lot of friends-of-friends online and now I'm kind of sad I left.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 22:04 (nine years ago) link
where are you now?
― sexxx attic (will), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 22:56 (nine years ago) link
Atlanta.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 23:00 (nine years ago) link
ha the girl i'm dating lives there (as far south in midtwown as you can be without being in downtown), so i visit pretty often. i actually dig it there way more than i ever expected to. the PATH trails, Piedmont Park, all the Midtown/ East ATL neighborhoods. and the trees! everywhere!
biggest beef is that downtown seems to be struggling without a strong residential pop. and moving the Braves to the burbs seems short-sighted, even if it makes total sense now demographically.
― sexxx attic (will), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 23:11 (nine years ago) link
"What are the pros and cons of each city?"
Somewhat duplicative, but Seattle is more of a big (real, imo) city than Portland (though still not quite a Boston or San Francisco), and probably has more and better-paying jobs and superior cultural/intellectual life, as well as greater diversity (of various kinds) and large bodies of water. Portland, which at last has a river, has more of a tight-knit community of young people of a hip orientation, as well as a few extra degrees fahrenheit, and is cheaper and slower-paced. I would choose Seattle over Portland, easy, but many prefer the reverse.
― benbbag, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 23:22 (nine years ago) link
portland has two giant rivers *ahem*
― Clay, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 23:27 (nine years ago) link
I've lived in both cities and I prefer the slower pace of Portland. The waspy hipsters are grating and the nearest strip next to our house (Division) has turned into three-mile Pinterest board, but hey our house has jumped $80K in value over the last year so go Portlandia.
― Darin, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 23:45 (nine years ago) link
while it is exceedingly obvious in retrospect, one thing i wish people told me before i moved to portland is that it is the whitest major city in america. i came here from sf and that is absolutely what i like least about here, though supposedly the trend is improving (full disclosure: i am white)
best thing about portland is the amenities to affordability ratio for sure. there's a crazy amount of delicious, nationally-recognized, relatively affordable food options here and i haven't seen anything remotely like it elsewhere in the country. beer is similar - not only is there an insane amount of beer and breweries and taprooms etc, but prices are better than nearly anywhere else i've lived or visited.
in terms of bike infrastructure, there is also no comparison to seattle. transit is overrated here but i still think it's prob objectively better than seattle. housing prices are definitely better too, though portland has one of the tightest rental markets in the country.
other things portland is famous for:
urban planning and the growth boundaryhigh levels of civic engagement (this is not always a good thing)parks and green infrastructureppl do not dress up often, which is usually sort of terrible but hey w/e it's liberatingsmall neighborhood-feel on a large scalechickens and goats are legal in your yardthe sports apparel industryfood cart podsacross-the-board great thai food (seattle has good thai too but not like us imo)friendly people (b/c most are midwestern transplants)voted "most active city" (or something like that) but people eat and drink so much it sorta balances out
― hug niceman (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 22 October 2014 00:05 (nine years ago) link
superior cultural/intellectual life
i agree with everything in your post except for this
― hug niceman (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 22 October 2014 00:11 (nine years ago) link
The research I've been doing on Portland has been pretty upfront about this. It's one of the bigger downsides on my list of pros and cons.
― Pict in a blanket (WilliamC), Wednesday, 22 October 2014 00:14 (nine years ago) link
ban gabbneb
― sleeve, Wednesday, 22 October 2014 00:16 (nine years ago) link
I have been in Seattle nearly two years now and I like it a lot basically, but I haven't visited Portland yet. Also I've been earning $TECHCO money which helps in the bonkers rental market. Our local government is not exceptionally corrupt-seeming though the PD is fucked up, the state tax regime is garbage but could be fixed, tech bros are obnoxious en masse but individually are fine, Seattle is highly unlikely to become "another San Fancisco" even if Amazon hires another 10,000 developers in the next five years b/c the massive structural obstacles to denser multifamily development that plague SF proper don't really exist here. Portland doesn't fluoridate their water, which is kinda nonsensical.
― Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Wednesday, 22 October 2014 00:39 (nine years ago) link
fluoridation thing here is so so dumb. this ties into my civic engagement comment above
― hug niceman (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 22 October 2014 00:55 (nine years ago) link
"i agree with everything in your post except for this"
We have different understandings of "culture"
― benbbag, Wednesday, 22 October 2014 02:26 (nine years ago) link
transit is overrated here but i still think it's prob objectively better than seattle.
otm and otm
the massive structural obstacles to denser multifamily development that plague SF proper don't really exist here.
tru. even with all the development there are parking lots everywhere. 2nd and pine until recently ffs. one of the many things i love about seattle is that we don't have these massive overplanned developments (south waterfront in portland, all of vancouver) that age at the same rate. it's a big building here, a big building there, knit into the fabric more than a lot of places. (south lake union could be an argument but there's still 20 years of development space)
every ilxor should move to seattle or portland or anacortes or olympia or bend or astoria. world fap in chehalis.
― alomar lines (anky), Wednesday, 22 October 2014 06:30 (nine years ago) link
Chehalis is fun just to mock the Rightwing Uncle Sam sign
― Delbert Gravy (kingfish), Wednesday, 22 October 2014 07:03 (nine years ago) link
every ilxor should move to seattle or portland or anacortes or olympia or bend or astoria.
working on it
― Starland Vocal Gland (sic), Wednesday, 22 October 2014 08:18 (nine years ago) link
<3
― lxy, Wednesday, 22 October 2014 14:20 (nine years ago) link
ftr I prefer Eugene to Bend but would probably rather be in Astoria or Bandon, all things said & done
Olympia is astonishingly tiny
― sleeve, Wednesday, 22 October 2014 14:28 (nine years ago) link
Is Olympia the Northampton, MA of the Pacific Northwest? If not, what is?
― Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Wednesday, 22 October 2014 16:05 (nine years ago) link
Bellingham is just the greatest, too bad about the no jobs thing.
― kate78, Friday, 24 October 2014 00:04 (nine years ago) link
Seattle: more friends therePortland: more affordable there This is one of the biggest dilemmas, aside from the whole "they're both 2500 miles away" thing.
― Pict in a blanket (WilliamC), Sunday, 26 October 2014 00:50 (nine years ago) link
Save $$ by living in Portland and drive your fly ass new ride to Seattle whenever you want.
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 26 October 2014 00:59 (nine years ago) link
That fly ass new ride is a complicating factor -- a $360 car payment. But yeah, that idea makes sense.
― Pict in a blanket (WilliamC), Sunday, 26 October 2014 01:10 (nine years ago) link
are there publishing jobs?
― this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 26 October 2014 01:32 (nine years ago) link
not nearly as many as on the east coast
― Darin, Sunday, 26 October 2014 01:45 (nine years ago) link
xp - No idea. I've been working for a client in San Jose for years, so I can do it from here or there.
You wanna move west and we can be roomies? They'd find us both dead with our hands wrapped around each other's throats, but it would be comedy gold right up until then.
― Pict in a blanket (WilliamC), Sunday, 26 October 2014 01:45 (nine years ago) link
you think? ive seldom found you aggravating (at a safe distance of course)
― this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 26 October 2014 01:46 (nine years ago) link
but no i dont want to live with anyone
― this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 26 October 2014 01:47 (nine years ago) link
hello portlanders!
several ilxors from seattle and various other places will be meeting up on saturday. won't you consider joining us?
saturday, november 227 pmmomo725 SW 10th Ave.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Momo%27s/@45.5197592,-122.682519,18z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x54950a04b0af7579:0xdd974fb0a3048c58?hl=en
― lxy, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 21:00 (nine years ago) link
Taking the train down, will see you there!
― Jaq, Thursday, 20 November 2014 00:20 (nine years ago) link
hmmm
― sleeve, Thursday, 20 November 2014 00:32 (nine years ago) link
I am already spoken for on Saturday @ 7. Have fun, y'all.
― oh no! must be the season of the rich (Aimless), Thursday, 20 November 2014 00:43 (nine years ago) link
Got my bag packed!
― Pict in a blanket (WilliamC), Thursday, 20 November 2014 01:06 (nine years ago) link
yay!!
― lxy, Thursday, 20 November 2014 04:29 (nine years ago) link
I'm driving down, seeing yall, and driving back.
― kate78, Thursday, 20 November 2014 18:33 (nine years ago) link
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― hug niceman (psychgawsple), Thursday, 20 November 2014 19:22 (nine years ago) link
gonna be fun
― alomar lines (anky), Friday, 21 November 2014 01:28 (nine years ago) link
way sry i'm missing this, part of a general pdx-missing melancholy i've had as the trees don't change here
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 21 November 2014 01:30 (nine years ago) link