in her mind to rewatch Hurry Sundown for the sake of proving Preminger was a Great Director was less fun than poking the Sarris tiger.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 19 October 2014 23:16 (nine years ago) link
while most would pray sarris submitted his obituary of pauline before 9/11 (she died on september 3rd, the observer street date was the 17th), i kinda hope he was describing the bruises she inflicted on him that week.
― da croupier, Sunday, 19 October 2014 23:20 (nine years ago) link
without trying to fit everything into a /system/,
is what lets people who've in no way proven their intellectual superiority, talk about her like an idiot savant.
"what does she know, she only sees movies once" - as if watching a movie multiple times means you know anything more than what's on the screen.
― Thus We Frustrate Kid Charlemagne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 19 October 2014 23:21 (nine years ago) link
In what other art form is okay to write about something after experiencing it only once?
James, seriouslY?
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 19 October 2014 23:23 (nine years ago) link
I don't think Hurry Sundown had a future with her nohow. I guess the kind of film I would have most liked to see her to back to were her oddball enthusiasms, something like Shoot the Moon. When she reviews Mississippi Burning a few years later, a brief mention of whether or not the film held up for her. She was so different than most critics there, I think that's of value.
― clemenza, Sunday, 19 October 2014 23:23 (nine years ago) link
"go back to"
― clemenza, Sunday, 19 October 2014 23:24 (nine years ago) link
Last post was xpost. So the argument is now: she really did rewatch stuff, she was just trying to tick Andy off and have the last laugh, and if she didn't it was okay because there was another raft of masterpieces waiting to be watched and time waits for no one?
― Thus We Frustrate Kid Charlemagne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 19 October 2014 23:24 (nine years ago) link
Beyond the number of critics who do the same with books and music, you answered your own question: she saw and wrote so well about that so-called first viewing (which you can believe if you want) that it looks like a fourth.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 19 October 2014 23:25 (nine years ago) link
Okay, I fell into your trap. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPxxG31JOCg
― Thus We Frustrate Kid Charlemagne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 19 October 2014 23:28 (nine years ago) link
with music i prefer critics who listen deeply because if a song is good i plan to hear it more than once, and want to know it holds up over many listens. most movies i'll only see once and therefore i'm cool with critics doing likewise, assuming they've got a good memory or fact-checker
― da croupier, Sunday, 19 October 2014 23:33 (nine years ago) link
yeah I get that. A song is three minutes, listened to wherever. You gotta make time for movies.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 19 October 2014 23:35 (nine years ago) link
I'll betray my rock-critic heritage here, but investing deeper attention and more repeat visits to a three-minute song than a three-hour film doesn't quite compute for me (realizing that you will, as a practical matter, inevitably do the latter)...Anyway, going to watch The Candidate for the 29th time right now, so proceed apace.
― clemenza, Sunday, 19 October 2014 23:51 (nine years ago) link
2X speed on the PS3 for DVDs/Blu-Ray is a life-changing w/r/t slow cinema.
Search: George WashingtonDestroy: In the Mood
― avant-sarsgaard (litel), Monday, 20 October 2014 00:00 (nine years ago) link
Just remembered something of hers that I did really like: her piece on Satyajit Ray's Devi.
― Thus We Frustrate Kid Charlemagne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 October 2014 00:39 (nine years ago) link
shit, she is still this interesting to you ppl, huh
― this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 October 2014 01:05 (nine years ago) link
You were the reviver!
― Thus We Frustrate Kid Charlemagne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 October 2014 01:16 (nine years ago) link
well that was more for Mlle Duras' torture of clemenza
― this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 October 2014 01:28 (nine years ago) link
Couldn't you have found something to torture da croupier as well?
― Thus We Frustrate Kid Charlemagne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 October 2014 01:33 (nine years ago) link
I don't see why you'd need to watch or even listen to a song more than once, even if you like the song. Its about getting the moments you need from the thing to make your argument?
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 20 October 2014 10:53 (nine years ago) link
I don't see why you'd need to read a Pauline Kael review more than once
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Monday, 20 October 2014 11:10 (nine years ago) link
But she writes with such language and passion!
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 20 October 2014 11:12 (nine years ago) link
Don't subsequent viewings of a great film deepen your engagement with it? I almost always notice new stuff the second, third, and forth time around--usually small stuff, but sometimes my whole perception of the film will shift. Admittedly, I take revisiting favorites to a ridiculous extreme, and obviously that's a separate issue if your job is to review new films as they come out.
― clemenza, Monday, 20 October 2014 11:27 (nine years ago) link
Forth and long. Positively Forth Street.
― clemenza, Monday, 20 October 2014 11:29 (nine years ago) link
Sure it does. I was mostly talking tackling the qn from the standpoint of giving a considered reaction, which you can do from one viewing.
I like watching films I've enjoyed a few years after my first viewing of them.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 20 October 2014 14:22 (nine years ago) link
Let's see how meditative Norte, The End of History feels.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 November 2014 14:12 (nine years ago) link
Not the word I'd use!
― why do I hate that thing (excluding imago, marcos) (wins), Friday, 28 November 2014 14:52 (nine years ago) link
It's good tho imo. To pointlessly compare it with another long film from this year, the descent into abjection doesn't feel cheap, idiotic and insulting the way it does in nymphomaniac
― why do I hate that thing (excluding imago, marcos) (wins), Friday, 28 November 2014 14:56 (nine years ago) link
The funny thing about this thread title (which I realize is just meant to make a point, and isn't based on a direct quote...I don't think) is that I wonder if Kael ever called a film meditative and intended that as praise. Or if it's a word she ever used at all.
― clemenza, Friday, 28 November 2014 15:19 (nine years ago) link
yeah i've always hated this thread title, b/c pauline kael was just about the last critic to call something "meditative," let alone as a word of praise. in fact one thing that makes her writing so exasperating is how little patience she has for films that take their time.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 28 November 2014 16:17 (nine years ago) link
I think we end up debating this point every bump.
― Eric H., Friday, 28 November 2014 16:18 (nine years ago) link
I don't like the title because I open the thread each revive looking for a slow cinema s/d & four out of five times it's about this writer I haven't read (who already has 3 threads devoted to her)
― why do I hate that thing (excluding imago, marcos) (wins), Friday, 28 November 2014 16:45 (nine years ago) link
Apologies if I've posted this link here before:
http://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/news-bfi/lists/10-great-really-long-films
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 28 November 2014 16:50 (nine years ago) link
(xxpost) I didn't check earlier in the thread--I don't remember the subject coming up, but maybe it has.
― clemenza, Friday, 28 November 2014 16:55 (nine years ago) link
A few random threads:antonionimichael snowtarkovsky's stalker
― Junior Dadaismus (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 28 November 2014 17:06 (nine years ago) link
thx! That listicle is kinda weird, are long films that rare that they have to include trilogies & tetralogies?
― why do I hate that thing (excluding imago, marcos) (wins), Friday, 28 November 2014 17:18 (nine years ago) link
internet comes through - The Age of Movies, via google books - "What is distinctive in Ray's work (and it may be linked to Bengali traditions in the arts, and perhaps to Sanskrit), is that sense of imminence - the suspension of the images in a larger context. The rhythm of his films seems not slow but, rather, meditative, as if the viewer could see the present as part of the past and could already reflect on what is going on." (page number omitted)
― Vic Perry, Friday, 28 November 2014 19:05 (nine years ago) link
Looking upthread I see this was also cleared up five years ago. It's groundhog day.
― Vic Perry, Friday, 28 November 2014 19:25 (nine years ago) link
meditative thread. interesting use of repetition.
― Brio2, Friday, 28 November 2014 20:46 (nine years ago) link
*insert static footage of water flowing over bent reeds and assorted small manmade objects here*
― ILB Traven (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 28 November 2014 22:31 (nine years ago) link
Except for a couple of middling passages when the camera dozes off as the prisoner's family struggles, Norte, the End of History was excellent. The ending moved me -- and this doesn't often happen.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 30 November 2014 20:33 (nine years ago) link
SPRANG BREAAAAAAAAK
― celfie tucker 48 (s.clover), Sunday, 30 November 2014 21:19 (nine years ago) link
I've seen lots of people insult a film by saying they fell asleep to it, even quite a lot on this forum. I've never fallen asleep because I was bored by a film, I only seem to fall asleep during films I want to see very badly but I'm just too tired to stay awake. Is this something regular cinema-goers do? Is it like "this film sucks, I'm quite tired so I'll stay and sleep rather than walk out"?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 30 November 2014 21:31 (nine years ago) link
No idea, but your initial statement is completely otm.
― Cutset Creator (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 30 November 2014 21:37 (nine years ago) link
I've definitely drifted off during films that bored me, but--seeing as I regularly drift anyway--I'll agree with you, that it has less to do with the film than my own sleep deprivation.
― clemenza, Sunday, 30 November 2014 22:02 (nine years ago) link
there are any number of films i love that i find deeply soporific... it was kind of a running joke with my friends in high school that I couldn't make it through a full screening of sanjuroi'm not sure i've seen the end of a weeraseethakul film but i love him as a directori missed the middle of lang's Man Hunt last night because the pacing was so measured. the only time it's a dud is when you're in the theater and someone starts snoring. that sucks.
― Face facts poptimism hacks, your a scam. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 30 November 2014 22:38 (nine years ago) link
yeah i fall asleep during films i love all the time, i'm just tired sometimes!
― I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 1 December 2014 04:11 (nine years ago) link
bela tarr - didn't see earlier mentions, this dude is one of the modern masters of the long cut. see 'Werckmeister Harmonies' for decent sampling in a film of reasonable length. watch realtime transit of a truck traveling at 2 mph across a scene. bonus points for giant taxidermied whale and for screenplay by laszlo krasznahorkai
― pursuit of happiness (art), Monday, 1 December 2014 04:19 (nine years ago) link
tarr and krasznahorkai line up on a few other projects (at least a couple adaptations of LK's novels) including satantango which runs like 8 hrs.
― pursuit of happiness (art), Monday, 1 December 2014 04:29 (nine years ago) link
I fall asleep during every Miyazaki movie and I love them! I look forward to falling asleep during them.
― Brio2, Monday, 1 December 2014 18:10 (nine years ago) link
platform by jia zhangke. never again.
― StillAdvance, Monday, 1 December 2014 18:13 (nine years ago) link