Another Canadian Icon Sullied (2014 Jian Ghomeshi sexual assault discussion)

Well, there's also this in the next paragraph of Savage's post:

But the only explanation that reconciles the stories of the now four women who claim they were assaulted by Jian Ghomeshi with the story of the one woman I spoke to today is this: Ghomeshi isn't a safe, sane, and consensual kinkster. He's a reckless, abusive, and dangerous one who has traumatized some women and lucked out with others.

That is, admittedly, less bad.

(To be fair, I did not read the full thing because I do my best not to give clicks to Dan Savage.)

We might as well post his update after the other interviews came out as well

UPDATE 2: As I continue to read more about Ghomeshi... I now think my interpretation—my attempt to reconcile the experience of the woman I interviewed with the allegations of the eight women who now report being assaulted by the radio host—was entirely too charitable.

I love that a tweet and his own narcissism brought him down.

If he didn't assume everyone was talking about him, he wouldn't have panicked and set the whole domino chain in motion.

I also love that he was done in by his own strategy of "getting ahead of the story" and "controlling the narrative". A strategy that people were calling "brilliant PR" at the beginning of the week.

It's like a movie or something - such a perfect tight little chain of events all set in motion by his own fatal flaws. Self-immolation by his own celebrity.

I don't love any of that, like at all. So far the reported cases seem under-par compared to most VAW cases. Were he not in this bizarre position of trying to lie his way out of a reparable situation, were he willing to reach out to his victims and make public apologies and movement toward treatment and reparations, I dunno, it might not be such a chilling clusterfuck

Noticed idly that Ghomeshi's Facebook likes have dropped by close to 10,000 over the last couple of days, due doubtless to the 'takebackthelike' campaign going around. Still a LOT there but that was near to one-tenth of his total. Wonder if it'll keep going.

well you gotta figure people aren't religiously performing facebook-like maintenance

sorry didn't mean to sound gleeful about such an awful story - just take some sadistic satisfaction in him being the agent of his own downfall

that his trying to control people and situations is exactly what made him lose it all

"under-par compared to most VAW cases"

what

punching ppl in the head
nonconsensual vaginal penetration
choking

"under par"

I guess he hasn't killed anyone

Yeah, I too was curious about what that particular usage was supposed to signify?

I'm doubtful that Brown's being honest in saying that the tweet was referring to a different story. I don't know why he would lie about that, but it seems like an unlikely coincidence. I think the story was going to come out soon regardless.

nonconsensual vaginal penetration

Eh what? Is this true? I haven't read that. Where is that?

As for "under par" I'm not trying to trivialize anything, that was exactly the term used by my friends-who-work-with-battered-women when we talked about it, i.e. he didn't break limbs or burn anyone or put anyone in hospital.

I said "friends" but I mean my mom, who cares, that's her field. Having read the Star report she was pretty sure no charges would stick if he'd gone that route

It's in Reva Seth's account. I will not quote it here.

http://m.huffpost.com/ca/entry/6077296

I'm doubtful that Brown's being honest in saying that the tweet was referring to a different story. I don't know why he would lie about that, but it seems like an unlikely coincidence.

did you see the article he claimed he was tweeting about? not impossible he'd think the cbc hiding snowden shit was noteworthy

Oh, no I didn't see that. Thanks.

It's in Reva Seth's account. I will not quote it here.

*facepalm* fuck this guyyyyyyy

fgti, words & usages have a context. The clinical assessment by a professional made within an informal context may be inappropriate or need qualification & explanation when used in a different context.

Anyway Reva Seth herself seems inclined to downplay the severity of the violalence, and makes the point that othing would've stuck had she reported it:

I didn't do anything because it didn't seem like there was anything to do. I hadn't been raped. I had no interest in seeing him again or engaging the police in my life ... as a lawyer, I'm well aware that the scenario was just a "he said/she said" situation. I was aware that I, as a woman who had had a drink or two, shared a joint, had gone to his house willingly and had a sexual past, would be eviscerated.

(sry, on phone)

Aaaaand 15 minutes later:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/10/31/jian_ghomeshi_showed_cbc_video_of_bondage_beating_sources.html

Toronto police have confirmed that two women have come forward with allegations against Jian Ghomeshi and are investigating.

fuck this guyyyyyyy

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@ Branwell no no for sure, Mom Tie's comments were only speculative

Man even if all this guy did was show entirely consensual and nonviolent sex tapes to his bosses/co-workers he should probably have been fired. I think someone upthread said this already but how did he think that would help him save his job? (Likely answer appears to be "he is a sociopath".)

And now...

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/10/31/moxy-fruvous-jian-ghomeshi_n_6084860.html

when you've lost moxy fruvous . . .

Good Good interview with Jesse Brown. on breaking the story with a newspaper instead of independently.

I really enjoyed his CBC show Search Engine back in the day (2009 or so) and hadn't heard about Canadaland until this week.

One quote in that interview:

What has it been like working with Kevin Donovan?
That’s a work in progress, and so far, we’ve gotten the story out and we’re continuing to get it out. You’re talking about a relationship that’s unspooling as we speak, so I don’t think I’m going to talk about that right now.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/01/jian-ghomeshi-i-dated-him

And...fail:

https://twitter.com/SethAbramovitch/status/528953604787277824

As was noted elsewhere, this story actually ran on their website on Oct. 19th before everything broke into the open, but running it NOW in the print edition = uh.

o_0

This will surely endear him to millions and save the day for him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSkjqK4SdP8

Ha Had no idea until reading the comments on that video that this guy was the one Billy Bob Thornton did that infamous interview with.

moxy fruvous had fans?

See above. They were briefly massive in Canada.

No, I mean, I get that, but...

sounds like he's trying to remember "magical misery tour" by national lampoon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVDpPX37fkU

I forgot about the National Lampoon bit, but I immediately thought of Lennon.

His band was so awful, there's a temptation to turn this back on himself, but contempt for your audience is never good. (Almost never, anyway. Dylan in '65 probably had good reason to hate the people who hated him for moving on. Moxy Fruvous was not Bob Dylan in 1965.)

The guy is almost definitely a monster but this video mostly seems like inebriated goofing around tbh.

who are our remaining unsullied canadian icons? besides kate beaton and john k. samson

NoMeansNo seem like pretty stand-up dorks

Mr. Dressup and Glass Tiger's Alan Frew. That's it.

wendel

Bobby Orr

Radio Free Vestibule

excuse me, this thread is no longer about other icons per buckling to neo****ism

A little more background

http://on.thestar.com/1t4WlM2

If some Gordon Lightfoot scandal breaks, the thread is still ready. -xpost

What a great scene, in Ned's link.

hold on - i don't think they were ever even close to "massive" at any point! they had a crappy single that, defying all reason/logic, got popular and a good amount of airtime. and then that was abut it, no?