i merely noted that "disturbing" != "weird/funny",
calm down
― da croupier, Monday, 17 November 2014 23:42 (nine years ago) link
^ two most inflammatory words in english language
― a long time ago he used to be rem (soda), Monday, 17 November 2014 23:43 (nine years ago) link
thank you, NBC Nightly News, for interviewing for your two-minute segment a "viral media" expert younger than my neighbor's teen and letting him say that this story will probably die soon because that's how we roll in 2014.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 17 November 2014 23:49 (nine years ago) link
wtffffff
guessing there's wasn't any full disclosure there
― da croupier, Monday, 17 November 2014 23:56 (nine years ago) link
Soda otm!
― La Lechera, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 00:07 (nine years ago) link
Heard all those incidents were "misunderstandings".
The Playboy After Dark... reminds me that I still really want that DVD set.
― *tera, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 02:19 (nine years ago) link
That gif is fucking with me now
― So beautiful cow (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 07:50 (nine years ago) link
"We admit this comedy bit is probably fictional and not actually about raping women, but bear with us while we make you think it is"
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, November 17, 2014 6:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
something can be fictional AND about raping women
and yes a piece about a drug that makes women have sex with you that don't want to have sex with you is 100% about raping women
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 19:51 (nine years ago) link
sorry to be dim but these accounts pretty much all suggest that the cos was slipping drugs into girls' drinks, then raping them WHILE THEY WERE PASSED OUT?? i mean all rape is equally intolerable but fucking an unconscious person is seriously mental-patient behavior, it's like one step away from.. i dunno, necrophilia!
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 21:23 (nine years ago) link
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/sep/02/cee-lo-green-it-isnt-if-the-victim-is-unconscious
― jenny holzer, ilxor (mh), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 21:26 (nine years ago) link
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/more-on-bill-cosbys-history-of-mentioning-spanish-fly/
COSBY: There’s a thing about Spanish Fly. Do you know anything about Spanish Fly?KING: When we were kids we used to-COSBY: There you go. There you go. That’s all. I just wanted the recognition.KING: Yes.COSBY: Spanish Fly.KING: We knew what it was.COSBY: Spanish Fly was the thing that all boys from age 11 on up to death — We will still be searching for Spanish Fly.KING: (laughs) That’s right.COSBY: And what was the old- The old story was, if you took a little drop — It was on the head of a-KING: Pin.COSBY: -pin! And you put it in a drink-KING: That’s right. Drop it in her Coca-cola — It don’t matter.COSBY: It doesn’t make any difference. And the girl would drink it and-KING: And she’s yours.COSBY: -’Hello, America!’ And there’s a story in there about Spanish Fly. So I think that everybody — any guy picking it up will just have a ball reading about that.
KING: When we were kids we used to-
COSBY: There you go. There you go. That’s all. I just wanted the recognition.
KING: Yes.
COSBY: Spanish Fly.
KING: We knew what it was.
COSBY: Spanish Fly was the thing that all boys from age 11 on up to death — We will still be searching for Spanish Fly.
KING: (laughs) That’s right.
COSBY: And what was the old- The old story was, if you took a little drop — It was on the head of a-
KING: Pin.
COSBY: -pin! And you put it in a drink-
KING: That’s right. Drop it in her Coca-cola — It don’t matter.
COSBY: It doesn’t make any difference. And the girl would drink it and-
KING: And she’s yours.
COSBY: -’Hello, America!’ And there’s a story in there about Spanish Fly. So I think that everybody — any guy picking it up will just have a ball reading about that.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 21:31 (nine years ago) link
Search ResultsChildhood
books.google.com/books?isbn=1560549343Bill Cosby - 1991 - No preview - More editionsIn a collection of humorous childhood stories, comedian Bill Cosby discusses such matters as his tenure as a school crossing guard and his quest for the elusive Spanish Fly
― salthigh, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 21:40 (nine years ago) link
There are a lot of problematic things going on beyond consent, in that the routine is about an aphrodisiac and not something that presumably causes a loss of consciousness or memory loss. You still have the element of lack of consent in that it's not a self-administered party drug, it's something you drug someone with, and the routine paints that as funny. I think that social boundary has become a lot more well-defined over time, but the fact many people don't question it leads to the second bit:objectifying others and using them as a means to an end.
That's the opposite of Cosby's family-friendly message and his perceived social advocacy. If people want to have sex on the basis of physical attraction alone and that's the end of it, fine. But that's the same shit he's decrying to others.
I guess maybe you can claim you have a level of social responsibility if you have a crisis management team to mitigate being a total shithead. I don't buy it.
― jenny holzer, ilxor (mh), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 21:42 (nine years ago) link
Spanish fly is mostly an urban legend and his comedy bit is mostly about horny teenagers' fascination with it and how kids buy into a stupid legend. To drag up a 45-year-old comedy routine as evidence of ANYTHING in the wake of like 12 serious allegations is the stupidest fucking thing in the world.
Can you believe Tone Loc wrote a TOP 10 POP HIT hit about DRUGGING AND RAPING WOMEN?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OP5EnaaYjQ
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 21:44 (nine years ago) link
Man, the Beastie Boys talked about putting "spanish fly" in a girl's Brass Monkey, better recall all those MCA tributes
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 21:45 (nine years ago) link
You're missing the point. As far as any of us know, Tone Loc has never been accused of actually slipping a mickey in anyone's drink. On the other hand, Cosby has been over a dozen times.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 21:46 (nine years ago) link
Yes, and to take those serious charges and be like "Hey, if you listen to this 45-year-old comedy routine about a mostly fictional aphrodesiac and the dumb minds of teenagers in the early 50s .. isn't that WEIRD/PROBLEMATIC/[Clickworthy]"?
It's really insincere, imho
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 21:49 (nine years ago) link
As it applies to these cases, it doesn't even meet the minimum qualifications for circumstantial evidence, yeah. BUT it is worth noting that relistening to Cosby's old bits with a fresh perspective sometimes reveals some o_O moments that were relatively easy to gloss over in the past.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 21:55 (nine years ago) link
Like that time he strangled that child to death with a piece of chocolate cake
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 21:56 (nine years ago) link
I think the whole Spanish Fly attitude is problematic and of its time, and had he not been really into that routine and also accused of similar behavior, it wouldn't be a thing. But this wasn't some one-time routine, it's basically "old man who joked about slipping aphrodisiacs in drinks in his youth actually put roofies in drinks as a middle-aged man"
then there's the entire beastie boys being apologetic thing and disavowing some of their bad behavior, to the point of attempting to atone for it?
― jenny holzer, ilxor (mh), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 21:58 (nine years ago) link
45-year old comedy bit newly offensive for all sorts of reasons, news at 11.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 21:58 (nine years ago) link
although a hat tip to whiney for bringing up the single most popular spanish fly reference of his lifetime
― jenny holzer, ilxor (mh), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 22:01 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDsa4uDM3zU
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 22:01 (nine years ago) link
there just isn't a connection between putting this stuff in your art and committing crimes like this. i mean, there is, but it's not causal. the big confounding variable is, it's ingrained in the culture. putting out someone's artistic history as evidence of guilt is an attractive kind of a sidestep from "the problem is in the culture" toward, like, the kind of villainization that serves to absolve ourselves, the subject. it takes a specific person / collection of experiences / traumas etc. to enact this absolution and these people always end up being the sacrificial lamb so we can keep on moving forward as is without questioning or at least being more aware of these deep beliefs around us.
― mattresslessness, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 22:03 (nine years ago) link
and of course these discussions about x y z who did something similar are always splitting hairs because these are prevalent, mainstream attitudes and it's a matter of defining when and where it is acceptable/unacceptable every time.
― mattresslessness, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 22:04 (nine years ago) link
Remember when rock stars, actors and other celebrities used to boast of their vast sexual conquests, and then more or less stopped?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 22:05 (nine years ago) link
there can be a connection, I just agree with Whiney that there's not really one here and that Cosby's leaning on that sketch back in the day really does make him look like a relic in 2014 xp
― jenny holzer, ilxor (mh), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 22:06 (nine years ago) link
Like, with Magic Johnson? xp
The content of bits performed by some well-regarded comedy figures of the '60s and '70s sounds pretty gross these days, but that was "pre-liberation" culture, hmmm? (There's a bit on the first 2000 Year-Old Man album, I think, where Mel Brooks plays an Italian auteur whose new film is titled Rape... albeit there's more of a distanced, satirical bent to it; oh those licentious Europeans.)
― things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 22:08 (nine years ago) link
I think part of his earlier stuff circulating now is the group consciousness trying to wash the idea that he's Dr. Cliff Huxtable out of their head.
― jenny holzer, ilxor (mh), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 22:11 (nine years ago) link
It definitely helps.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 22:13 (nine years ago) link
definitely glad that sort of commonplace sleazy grey area seems to be less of a trade secret now. xp
― mattresslessness, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 22:13 (nine years ago) link
Value of Coogi sweaters is cratering
― forbodingly titled It's True! It's True! (Eazy), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 22:19 (nine years ago) link
lol i wondered if whiney was getting upset because late '80s hip-hop was in the line of fire
― da croupier, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 22:20 (nine years ago) link
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0wa79gQfw1r91f2jo1_500.gif
ban mike d
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 22:21 (nine years ago) link
when people have a hard time believing a man accused of drugging more than a dozen women for his sexual pleasure could possibly do such a thing, i think it's more than fair to acknowledge that he made such a fantasy part of his material over multiple decades. that some people are reporting the information crassly doesn't make it beneath comment.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 22:23 (nine years ago) link
beneath consideration, rather
btw also he's never been an actual medical doctor so he shouldn't be administering any drugs
― jenny holzer, ilxor (mh), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 22:25 (nine years ago) link
sorry, that wasn't appropriate, but it came to mind
i see janice dickinson is back in the news
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 00:04 (nine years ago) link
The first time I read about Spanish Fly it was trying to read all of Snopes at age 13 and finding the most terrifying one of all: "After a young man slips his date an aphrodisiac and leaves her alone in the car, he returns to find that she has impaled herself on the stick shift handle in a sexual frenzy."
Worse than hook hand, calls inside in your house, peanut butter dog, lobster egg vagina, anything. I was also freaked out later when I learned actual Spanish Fly is just an extreme skin irritant. So the idea is to make you want to fuck the itch away?? Awful.
― never say goodbye before leaving chat room (Crabbits), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 00:26 (nine years ago) link
never heard that one before, wow
― Nhex, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 00:31 (nine years ago) link
peanut butter dog! my friend knew a guy who was in that very basement for the surprise party.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 00:31 (nine years ago) link
one of the rumors about the death of lucretius is that he died from taking too much spanish fly
― Treeship, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 00:39 (nine years ago) link
Cosby was always sus. I'm shocked at how many ppl here are shocked. i didn't grow up with his show, but he seemed out of touch and nasty and mean-spirited in public imo (like all the stuff about what young black men should do/wear/say/etc)
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 01:02 (nine years ago) link
I hate to think this, but I'd have been so much happier if this had all been about a surprise party for Bill Cosby that featured peanut butter balls.
― Hark! The Village People (fake penthouse letters mcgee), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 01:05 (nine years ago) link
i learned about spanish fly from beavis and butthead
― flatizza (harbl), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 01:55 (nine years ago) link
someone please to explain peanut butter dog for the Uk crew?
― piscesx, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 02:01 (nine years ago) link
omar little's friend knew a guy who attended a surprise party in a basement. at that party was peanut butter dog. he was never seen again.
― mattresslessness, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 02:06 (nine years ago) link
http://www.snopes.com/risque/animals/peanutbutter.asp
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 02:08 (nine years ago) link
man those dogs will lick peanut butter off anything
― don't ask me why i posted this (electricsound), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 02:17 (nine years ago) link