two women renew Bill Cosby sexual abuse allegations in Newsweek interviews

wtffffff

guessing there's wasn't any full disclosure there

Soda otm!

Heard all those incidents were "misunderstandings".

The Playboy After Dark... reminds me that I still really want that DVD set.

That gif is fucking with me now

"We admit this comedy bit is probably fictional and not actually about raping women, but bear with us while we make you think it is"

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, November 17, 2014 6:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

something can be fictional AND about raping women

and yes a piece about a drug that makes women have sex with you that don't want to have sex with you is 100% about raping women

sorry to be dim but these accounts pretty much all suggest that the cos was slipping drugs into girls' drinks, then raping them WHILE THEY WERE PASSED OUT?? i mean all rape is equally intolerable but fucking an unconscious person is seriously mental-patient behavior, it's like one step away from.. i dunno, necrophilia!

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/sep/02/cee-lo-green-it-isnt-if-the-victim-is-unconscious

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/more-on-bill-cosbys-history-of-mentioning-spanish-fly/

COSBY: There’s a thing about Spanish Fly. Do you know anything about Spanish Fly?

KING: When we were kids we used to-

COSBY: There you go. There you go. That’s all. I just wanted the recognition.

KING: Yes.

COSBY: Spanish Fly.

KING: We knew what it was.

COSBY: Spanish Fly was the thing that all boys from age 11 on up to death — We will still be searching for Spanish Fly.

KING: (laughs) That’s right.

COSBY: And what was the old- The old story was, if you took a little drop — It was on the head of a-

KING: Pin.

COSBY: -pin! And you put it in a drink-

KING: That’s right. Drop it in her Coca-cola — It don’t matter.

COSBY: It doesn’t make any difference. And the girl would drink it and-

KING: And she’s yours.

COSBY: -’Hello, America!’ And there’s a story in there about Spanish Fly. So I think that everybody — any guy picking it up will just have a ball reading about that.

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In a collection of humorous childhood stories, comedian Bill Cosby discusses such matters as his tenure as a school crossing guard and his quest for the elusive Spanish Fly

There are a lot of problematic things going on beyond consent, in that the routine is about an aphrodisiac and not something that presumably causes a loss of consciousness or memory loss. You still have the element of lack of consent in that it's not a self-administered party drug, it's something you drug someone with, and the routine paints that as funny. I think that social boundary has become a lot more well-defined over time, but the fact many people don't question it leads to the second bit:
objectifying others and using them as a means to an end.

That's the opposite of Cosby's family-friendly message and his perceived social advocacy. If people want to have sex on the basis of physical attraction alone and that's the end of it, fine. But that's the same shit he's decrying to others.

I guess maybe you can claim you have a level of social responsibility if you have a crisis management team to mitigate being a total shithead. I don't buy it.

Spanish fly is mostly an urban legend and his comedy bit is mostly about horny teenagers' fascination with it and how kids buy into a stupid legend. To drag up a 45-year-old comedy routine as evidence of ANYTHING in the wake of like 12 serious allegations is the stupidest fucking thing in the world.

Can you believe Tone Loc wrote a TOP 10 POP HIT hit about DRUGGING AND RAPING WOMEN?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OP5EnaaYjQ

Man, the Beastie Boys talked about putting "spanish fly" in a girl's Brass Monkey, better recall all those MCA tributes

You're missing the point. As far as any of us know, Tone Loc has never been accused of actually slipping a mickey in anyone's drink. On the other hand, Cosby has been over a dozen times.

Yes, and to take those serious charges and be like "Hey, if you listen to this 45-year-old comedy routine about a mostly fictional aphrodesiac and the dumb minds of teenagers in the early 50s .. isn't that WEIRD/PROBLEMATIC/[Clickworthy]"?

It's really insincere, imho

As it applies to these cases, it doesn't even meet the minimum qualifications for circumstantial evidence, yeah. BUT it is worth noting that relistening to Cosby's old bits with a fresh perspective sometimes reveals some o_O moments that were relatively easy to gloss over in the past.

Like that time he strangled that child to death with a piece of chocolate cake

I think the whole Spanish Fly attitude is problematic and of its time, and had he not been really into that routine and also accused of similar behavior, it wouldn't be a thing. But this wasn't some one-time routine, it's basically "old man who joked about slipping aphrodisiacs in drinks in his youth actually put roofies in drinks as a middle-aged man"

then there's the entire beastie boys being apologetic thing and disavowing some of their bad behavior, to the point of attempting to atone for it?

45-year old comedy bit newly offensive for all sorts of reasons, news at 11.

although a hat tip to whiney for bringing up the single most popular spanish fly reference of his lifetime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDsa4uDM3zU

there just isn't a connection between putting this stuff in your art and committing crimes like this. i mean, there is, but it's not causal. the big confounding variable is, it's ingrained in the culture. putting out someone's artistic history as evidence of guilt is an attractive kind of a sidestep from "the problem is in the culture" toward, like, the kind of villainization that serves to absolve ourselves, the subject. it takes a specific person / collection of experiences / traumas etc. to enact this absolution and these people always end up being the sacrificial lamb so we can keep on moving forward as is without questioning or at least being more aware of these deep beliefs around us.

and of course these discussions about x y z who did something similar are always splitting hairs because these are prevalent, mainstream attitudes and it's a matter of defining when and where it is acceptable/unacceptable every time.

Remember when rock stars, actors and other celebrities used to boast of their vast sexual conquests, and then more or less stopped?

there can be a connection, I just agree with Whiney that there's not really one here and that Cosby's leaning on that sketch back in the day really does make him look like a relic in 2014 xp

Like, with Magic Johnson? xp

The content of bits performed by some well-regarded comedy figures of the '60s and '70s sounds pretty gross these days, but that was "pre-liberation" culture, hmmm? (There's a bit on the first 2000 Year-Old Man album, I think, where Mel Brooks plays an Italian auteur whose new film is titled Rape... albeit there's more of a distanced, satirical bent to it; oh those licentious Europeans.)

I think part of his earlier stuff circulating now is the group consciousness trying to wash the idea that he's Dr. Cliff Huxtable out of their head.

It definitely helps.

definitely glad that sort of commonplace sleazy grey area seems to be less of a trade secret now. xp

Value of Coogi sweaters is cratering

lol i wondered if whiney was getting upset because late '80s hip-hop was in the line of fire

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0wa79gQfw1r91f2jo1_500.gif

ban mike d

when people have a hard time believing a man accused of drugging more than a dozen women for his sexual pleasure could possibly do such a thing, i think it's more than fair to acknowledge that he made such a fantasy part of his material over multiple decades. that some people are reporting the information crassly doesn't make it beneath comment.

beneath consideration, rather

btw also he's never been an actual medical doctor so he shouldn't be administering any drugs

sorry, that wasn't appropriate, but it came to mind

i see janice dickinson is back in the news

The first time I read about Spanish Fly it was trying to read all of Snopes at age 13 and finding the most terrifying one of all: "After a young man slips his date an aphrodisiac and leaves her alone in the car, he returns to find that she has impaled herself on the stick shift handle in a sexual frenzy."

Worse than hook hand, calls inside in your house, peanut butter dog, lobster egg vagina, anything. I was also freaked out later when I learned actual Spanish Fly is just an extreme skin irritant. So the idea is to make you want to fuck the itch away?? Awful.

never heard that one before, wow

peanut butter dog! my friend knew a guy who was in that very basement for the surprise party.

one of the rumors about the death of lucretius is that he died from taking too much spanish fly

Cosby was always sus. I'm shocked at how many ppl here are shocked. i didn't grow up with his show, but he seemed out of touch and nasty and mean-spirited in public imo (like all the stuff about what young black men should do/wear/say/etc)

I hate to think this, but I'd have been so much happier if this had all been about a surprise party for Bill Cosby that featured peanut butter balls.

i learned about spanish fly from beavis and butthead

someone please to explain peanut butter dog for the Uk crew?

omar little's friend knew a guy who attended a surprise party in a basement. at that party was peanut butter dog. he was never seen again.

http://www.snopes.com/risque/animals/peanutbutter.asp

man those dogs will lick peanut butter off anything

yeah licking a pussy?
yuck

I kid

i thought this was somehow connected to the bacon-burger-dog off of Cosby Show fame.

Cosby was always sus. I'm shocked at how many ppl here are shocked. i didn't grow up with his show, but he seemed out of touch and nasty and mean-spirited in public imo (like all the stuff about what young black men should do/wear/say/etc)

― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:02 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah how come no one made the logical jump from 'mean spirited' to 'rapist'