Maybe they took pills then were stabbed by their friends, who felt bad, took pills, zipped themselves into their respective tents, died and reanimated.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 12:37 (nine years ago) link
Damn, sad. Didn't see that coming!
― Nhex, Monday, 1 December 2014 15:22 (nine years ago) link
disappointed idiot priest didn't die yet, wtf was he even doing digging his way out of there? what was the point of that whole thing? die!
also wish mullet eugene had never woken up.
― akm, Monday, 1 December 2014 20:52 (nine years ago) link
Fuck. That was brutal even by this show's standards.
― finn_the_scot, Monday, 1 December 2014 22:02 (nine years ago) link
Felt like a lot of false notes were hit ... I mean, up until Michonne told Maggie that Beth was alive, Maggie didn't really seem to care that much about what happened to her sister. All the teaser talk about this episode intimated that a main character was going to die, and with all the focus on Carol in the last few episodes, I was afraid it was gonna be Carol that died, and I was prepared to be really sad.
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Monday, 1 December 2014 22:38 (nine years ago) link
I forgot that she was maggie's sister until she told her that actually
― akm, Monday, 1 December 2014 22:42 (nine years ago) link
genuinely thought when michonne told maggie that beth was alive, maggie's response would be "...who?"
sad about beth but that was a damp squib really, mostly because of existing flaws like the entire hospital set-up being dumb and illogical, and maggie's grief being accidentally hilarious after literally not mentioning her sister for 1.5 seasons
also what even happened at the end, why didn't beth go for dawn's throat or eye???
the priest is a bumbling idiot who needs to die soon, wish michonne and carl had left him outside in a ~poetic reprise of his own actions
we're p much back to where we were in episode 2, right?
― lex pretend, Monday, 1 December 2014 23:31 (nine years ago) link
oh and the entire "carol's in the hospital!!!!" subplot was for nothing, then
oh and really bored of tyreese's speeches now
― lex pretend, Monday, 1 December 2014 23:34 (nine years ago) link
yeah, never really cared much about the hospital. They kept talking about it like it was this structure that had to be kept going and there was this intense hierarchy and whatnot, I kept being like, aren't there like 6 cops and 5 orderlies? Who cares?
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 00:04 (nine years ago) link
They still have Talking Dead for this season? Been struggling to even watch the main course so far. Sad to see such a good series go so rapidly terribly below average, life is too short so fuck 'em.
― xelab, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 02:09 (nine years ago) link
you really think this season is below average?
― akm, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 04:48 (nine years ago) link
yeah, it's pretty decent at the least - if only for that that nobody ended up staying in one place for more than a few episodesthere were only maybe two, three incidents of terminal stupidity which is pretty good for this show
― Nhex, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 06:33 (nine years ago) link
it's probably gone up a level this season if anything, it's just that the elements of stupidity all came home to roost in this episode. as an episode it was crafted pretty well i thought, it was previous mistakes that did for it
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 09:13 (nine years ago) link
Just catching up with the second to most recent ep. Not a lot happening, but I still don't get the deal with that hospital that seems like 80% cops and 20% docs. Also, like, I get that they're assholes, but I'm a little unclear what they've done wrong. Too fascist? Not letting people leave? It's like I missed an establishing episode.
I do like how muddled motives have gotten, but what a dummy for letting the cop up. Or not keeping an eye on the priest. Because duh.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 19:48 (nine years ago) link
Good zombie fx lately, though.
...you missed the whole physical abuse, slavery and rape of the people they're "caretaking"?
― Nhex, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 19:50 (nine years ago) link
I totally forgot that. But I'm pretty sure they were established as bad people before that revelation, weren't they? But yeah, you're right, they're more than just assholes. Not sure of their motives either, though. And again, they seem like 80% police, plus Beth and ... one patient and a time? And a couple of doctors/nurses? It's unclear who they are protecting or enslaving.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 19:54 (nine years ago) link
hospital is basically a camp of indentured servitude/slavery
― akm, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 19:54 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, but we haven't seen anything much more than police there in the show, have we? Still have the more recent ep to watch.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 19:57 (nine years ago) link
Some sort of amusing religious in jokes though. The Biblical stuff about eating the flesh, the priest pulling a nail from his foot ...
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 19:59 (nine years ago) link
yeah they didn't show that many other people and I'm not sure there were that many in there, which is why they were so frantic to get more.
― akm, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 20:01 (nine years ago) link
Was cool seeing Keisha Castle-Hughes show up as the recaptured escapee / amputee / walker. Curious how she got the role (her and show mutual fans of each other?). Wish she'd joined the cast for a longer stint. Glad she's continued to act. Thought she was great in "Whale Rider", and fun seeing her appear in "The Almighty Johnsons".
As far as the cops, not sure how many bad apples there were besides the two that died in the hospital, but was also surprised they only showed Noah leaving with Rick's group. The remaining cops were either cowards, allowing the few to abuse the civilians, or the civilians prefer the devil they know versus leaving with a wild-looking bunch.
At the pace they're going, seems like they're 1 to 1.5 seasons behind the comics. It's been long enough, I can't remember Beth the comic character, if there was one.
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 3 December 2014 15:40 (nine years ago) link
don't think there was a Beth in the comics, Maggie had other sisters but they all died pretty quickly
it was a little vague to me how it ended, it wouldn't surprise me if Noah was the only hospital person to go with them or if a few more tagged along as wellbut then again, looking at it from their point of view, Rick and co. looked like a bunch of psycho hobos and probably even scarier than the cops
i do like how DGAF Rick now doesn't even try to look presentable. or maybe he learned a lesson about wearing other people's jackets. I don't know
― Nhex, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 16:42 (nine years ago) link
This last episode was unfortunately like a condensed Day of the Dead: poorly defined or barely established sadistic authority figures histrionic, overacting, or just generally talking and talking, all while trapped in a confined space. Also, kind of tired of, five seasons in, these debates about what you need to do to survive. We've already established that these people have survived, and why, so no need to rehash. Plus, while this show clearly has a pretty big production budget, every once in a while we hit a stretch of episodes where it seems like they've run out of money, or need to scrape together every penny for some shooting and zombie effects, sticking everyone else in a hospital hall, or standing by a firetruck, or standing around the same square city block or parking lot, talking. And speaking of which, why is downtown Atlanta suddenly more or less devoid of zombies? They all watching "Snow White" at the theatre?
Did I miss when Carol woke up? I blinked, and next thing I know she's awake in a wheelchair. And then she was standing. Did she say anything? And a real cheat to leave Beth out of the show for so long, then bring her back just for this lame detour.
Seriously, this hospital side plot was so lame. So many police, and the only two civilians are ... the doctor and the bearded guy? Plus Beth, always mopping and Carol, in a bed? Make an effort, Walking Dead. Just when I thought you had turned a corner ...
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 16:42 (nine years ago) link
they did a similar thing with Merle and Andrea tbf
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Thursday, 4 December 2014 00:01 (nine years ago) link
Did they? Did we ever have more than an episode without Merle or Andrea? Because Beth was taken back in episode 13 of Season 4, so we had, what five episodes in a row with barely a mention of Beth? And then they bring her back just for this sloppy and circular and rushed 5 episode stretch of a go-nowhere subplot, just to kill her? Were there people between seasons on pins and needles wondering what happened to Beth, and these show folks were like, just wait until you see what's in store! It's a hospital, filled with 10 people, most of them cops, who sometimes hit this guy with a beard and have alluded to sex slaves we have never seen! It's SOOOO much worse than being stalked by smug ruthless smart cannibals, just you wait!
Still amazed, what with the relative ease of travel/finding cars/gas that they haven't tried driving anywhere else. It's like there's downtown Atlanta and the woods, and all those millions of suburbs, let alone other cities, have just vanished. They should take a trip to Athens and try to find some coffee. They could get the zombie members of REM to reunite on the show.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 December 2014 00:43 (nine years ago) link
"Cuyahogaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh..."
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Thursday, 4 December 2014 01:20 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppTwOEayfGA
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 December 2014 01:46 (nine years ago) link
Merle was gone for over an entire season!!!
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Thursday, 4 December 2014 06:15 (nine years ago) link
And no one missed him.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 December 2014 12:40 (nine years ago) link
He certainly wasn't the exclusive subject of a subsequent story arc though.there was no, next week, find out what happened to Merle!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 December 2014 12:42 (nine years ago) link
carol's recovery from her internal bleeding was remarkable. and they went to those lengths to get her into the hospital for...nothing? not even a reunion scene with beth? no plotting? indeed, not a single line?
― lex pretend, Thursday, 4 December 2014 12:58 (nine years ago) link
That's what I mean. It just seems sort of first draft, seat of pants. There is no goal, no end-point, no arc, just action. It's like a big boulder pushed off the top of a mountain, rolling and rolling, fast at first, then with diminishing speed, until it levels off and just ... stops.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 December 2014 14:50 (nine years ago) link
to play the devil's advocate... carol did get a whole episode where she had a character arc leading up to the hospital, and more or less completed it before getting hit by the cartbh she didn't really care that much about Beth as much as Darryl did... she was ready to bail on everybody yet again!
― Nhex, Thursday, 4 December 2014 14:57 (nine years ago) link
Oh, she had her arc. It's really no excuse to hit her with a car and lay her in a hospital, mute, for a couple of eps, just to have her up and running again by the end of the mid-season break. That's some weak soap opera shit. I'm waiting for someone who looks and sounds a lot like Rick, but with a mysterious mustache or goatee, to suddenly show up. "Something's not right about Rick ... "
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 December 2014 15:11 (nine years ago) link
Watching this show is like watching a child play chess. They know what all the pieces can do, but they focus so much on the mechanics that they never think more than a couple of moves away. And then they lose.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 December 2014 15:14 (nine years ago) link
haha otm
― a drug by the name of WORLD WITHOUT END (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 4 December 2014 16:47 (nine years ago) link
I think I'm done with this show. It's a fucking never-ending bummer. I kinda figured the whole Eugene thing was bullshit (they weren't going to magically find a "cure" for all of the zombies), but at this point, it's just this disgusting series of shitty events.
― schwantz, Monday, 9 February 2015 05:57 (nine years ago) link
Yup, that's what it is - don't blame you. But at the same time, I dug tonight's episode - they gave Tyreese a good send-off. Fun to see the ghosts show up and the dreamy editing.
― Nhex, Monday, 9 February 2015 06:09 (nine years ago) link
ugh i hated that episode, another needless death caused by idiot sentiment and general stupidity - from entering the house in the first place without waiting for the others to tyreese getting lost in a fucking photograph everything about that had me yelling "whyyyyyy"
and then the hallucinations with their terrible, clichéd lines that they kept repeating again and again
the premise of the episode and tyreese's death could've been handled so much better
― lex pretend, Monday, 9 February 2015 22:46 (nine years ago) link
I agree. Imaginary haunting conversations with past (usually dead) characters is one of my least favourite storytelling devices. Or at least the way film and tv tends to do it. Easily the worst aspect of Six Feet Under.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 00:36 (nine years ago) link
Can't believe a show about the zombie apocalypse isn't more upbeat and edifying, c'mon writers!
― Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 01:51 (nine years ago) link
Finally caught up with this go-nowhere pseudo premiere. I'd call this amateur arty ep a risk that did not pay off.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 February 2015 19:31 (nine years ago) link
this episode was a mess! and to think during points of the last season i was actually finally digging it as much, if not more than, the comic.
flashbacks in any TV series can get to fuck
― jamiesummerz, Thursday, 19 February 2015 00:06 (nine years ago) link
Post terminous this series has been consistently dreadful, they don't know what they are doing.
― xelab, Thursday, 19 February 2015 00:16 (nine years ago) link
I thought this was a good episode - heavy drama. Hope this series has an end, because this could go on forever using a random plot generator.
― calstars, Thursday, 19 February 2015 03:41 (nine years ago) link
Clearly plot has not troubled this show. I'm beginning to think it is improvised.
"Hey, what do you want to do today?"
"I dunno. Road trip?"
"To where?"
"Virginia."
"Cool. Do we have to leave Georgia?"
"Nope!"
"Even better. Will the trip be very dangerous with no obvious gain?"
"Of course. But Beth would have wanted it that way."
"Who's Beth?"
"Only the emotional lynchpin of the entire show, duh."
"Eh, doesn't matter. I'm in. It'll be rad."
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 19 February 2015 15:04 (nine years ago) link
That's a little disingenuous. There have been plenty of haranguing conversations about them starving, they can't stay on the road forever, so on and so on and so on... and it's basically a repeat of the end of season 2 / beginning of 3 when they go from the farm to the prison.
― Nhex, Thursday, 19 February 2015 15:07 (nine years ago) link
I only saw the midseason premiere, and they road trip from Atlanta to Virginia as a favor to dead Beth to bring Everybody Hates Chris home to see his inevitably dead family. And then at the end they say, huh, we're close to Washington, so even though we have never left the apparent 10 square miles of Georgia we've called home, maybe we should check out some other places. You know, now that taking cars and the roads are apparently safe again.
Where did they get the walkie talkies? From terminus? Maybe they should have grabbed more than two, could come in handy when you're exploring zombie infested gated communities.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 19 February 2015 15:15 (nine years ago) link