i thought this was somehow connected to the bacon-burger-dog off of Cosby Show fame.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 02:25 (nine years ago) link
Cosby was always sus. I'm shocked at how many ppl here are shocked. i didn't grow up with his show, but he seemed out of touch and nasty and mean-spirited in public imo (like all the stuff about what young black men should do/wear/say/etc)
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:02 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah how come no one made the logical jump from 'mean spirited' to 'rapist'
― deej loaf (D-40), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 02:34 (nine years ago) link
we need to start looking into every old person who doesn't like rap, very sus
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 03:17 (nine years ago) link
http://variety.com/2014/biz/news/netflix-pulls-bill-cosby-special-amid-rape-allegations-1201359886/
― things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 09:02 (nine years ago) link
This is pretty much like the Savile thing:
Some people know of previous, some people are more "I always thought he was a bit (etc)" without actual evidence.
There was a fair bit of discussion between his death and his excommunication, over on the "Saville is alive" thread, about certain suspicions..
― Mark G, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 10:25 (nine years ago) link
Er, no there wasn't.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 10:46 (nine years ago) link
insane how that official comment from his people over the weekend, has since had to be clarified and now has been deleted by the same people. i wonder if the same people were behind the 'Meme me!' tweets, also since deleted.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 10:58 (nine years ago) link
Reading off that Netflix article, Janice Dickinson comes out:http://www.etonline.com/news/154076_janice_dickinson_details_alleged_bill_cosby_sexual_assault/
― Nhex, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 13:54 (nine years ago) link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/19/don-lemon-bill-cosby-rape-accuser-bite-oral-sex_n_6184618.html
Uhhhhhh
― 龜, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 14:48 (nine years ago) link
brb establishing kickstarter to fund r&d for a rocket we can strap don lemon to and then fire into the sun
― this things i believe (art), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 15:10 (nine years ago) link
the meme me backfire thing was a textbook misunderstanding contemporary internet culture.
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 15:14 (nine years ago) link
lmao @ people thinking that people are bringing up the spanish fly bit as "evidence"
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 19:50 (nine years ago) link
first time I ever heard the phrase:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41W1ZS5PKZL.jpg
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 19:51 (nine years ago) link
NBC scraps series in development. He has a standup gig in Melbourne, FL on Friday.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/19/bill-cosby-nbc-show_n_6186498.html
― things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 19:54 (nine years ago) link
is the fact that something is referenced in 80s beastie boys lyrics really supposed to help
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 19:55 (nine years ago) link
I'm still kinda surprised Janice Dickinson was the tipping point
― Nhex, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 20:02 (nine years ago) link
thought this was good
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/11/the-cosby-show/382891/
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 20:05 (nine years ago) link
wait, how was janice dickinson the tipping point? didnt her story just come out in the past couple days
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 20:06 (nine years ago) link
i mean leading to his Netflix and NBC shows getting cancelled today
― Nhex, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 20:09 (nine years ago) link
i suspect that specific account didn't set anything off; also Netflix was yesterday.
― things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 20:12 (nine years ago) link
re: spanish fly
A friend of mine in middle school told me once that he found "spanish fly" in his dad's medicine cabinet. I think he was under the impression that it was like a magic something-or-other dudes take to make them irresistible to women. "So what happened?" I asked. "Nothing," he replied. "I took a few. They just gave me burps that tasted like tuna." He had taken fish oil supplements.
Anyway, fuck Bill Cosby.
― Punny Names (latebloomer), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 20:13 (nine years ago) link
Given that all of these are single incidents versus ongoing relationships, I wonder how many more will come out of the woodwork.
― forbodingly titled It's True! It's True! (Eazy), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 20:14 (nine years ago) link
xpost Yeah, she's just another nail in the coffin, really. Sounds like this has been ready to tip for some time. I never would have guess Hannibal would be the guy to tip it.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 20:14 (nine years ago) link
Janice's story has been around since she wrote her book in 2002, but Entertainment Tonight's interview either relaunched it or she elaborated on it with an actual rape accusation.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 20:15 (nine years ago) link
xps seems like a pretty honest and self-damning piece by Coatesif i understand correctly, she was told by her lawyers/publishers to deliberately leave it out and is going public now
― Nhex, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 20:16 (nine years ago) link
yep
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 20:17 (nine years ago) link
never thought I would be supportive of Janice Dickinson about anything but there ya go
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 20:21 (nine years ago) link
Lemon: Can I ask you this, because -- and please, I don't mean to be crude, ok?Tarshis: Yeah.Lemon: Because I know some of you -- and you said this last night, that he -- you lied to him and said "I have an infection, and if you rape me, or if you do -- if you have intercourse with me, then you will probably get it and give it to your wife."Tarshis: Right.Lemon: And you said he made you perform oral sex.Tarshis: Right.Lemon: You know, there are ways not to perform oral sex if you didn't want to do it.Tarshis: Oh. Um, I was kind of stoned at the time, and quite honestly, that didn't even enter my mind. Now I wish it would have.Lemon: Right. Meaning the using of the teeth, right?Tarshis: Yes, that's what I'm thinking you're --Lemon: As a weapon.Tarshis: Yeah, I didn't even think of it.Lemon: Biting.Tarshis: Ouch.Lemon: Yes. I had to ask. I mean, it is, yeah.Tarshis: Yes. No, it didn't cross my mind.
― slam dunk, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 21:22 (nine years ago) link
don lemon: asking the hard, insane questions
― slam dunk, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 21:24 (nine years ago) link
jesus christ
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:47 (nine years ago) link
Lost Neil LaBute script found.
― forbodingly titled It's True! It's True! (Eazy), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:19 (nine years ago) link
he really monday morning quarterback'd for a rape victim O_O
― deej loaf (D-40), Thursday, 20 November 2014 00:03 (nine years ago) link
his pseudo-apology seemed to hint that his disbelief came from there being a second incident with cosby - that she didn't avoid him entirely after the first. but like, if you want to discuss that with a victim, let them know and do it with some respect. don't just ask them why they didn't go kill bill on his ass.
― da croupier, Thursday, 20 November 2014 00:17 (nine years ago) link
to be clear, i'm referring to things he said in his follow-up interview with tarshis, i.e. "“As you do know, there are a lot of people who don’t believe you, and they say, ‘Why didn’t you got to police, and why would you put yourself in a position to be with him a second time if he had raped you once?'"
― da croupier, Thursday, 20 November 2014 00:22 (nine years ago) link
what does don lemon think bill cosby would or wouldn't have done after that happened
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Thursday, 20 November 2014 00:55 (nine years ago) link
is lemon going to be fired or...
― I dunno. (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2014 04:10 (nine years ago) link
saville, cosby, all of it just underlines the gross human swamp that i try so hard not to think about
ie that power/fame/wealth naturally, easily, opens up this carpool lane for you in life where assistants & friends & whoever are literally just bringing you women/boys/children to fuck, or helping you fuck them or not telling anyone that you are a heinous, heinous creep even when you are someone on the periphery who maybe sees these victims & looks them in the eye afterwards & STILL just carry on with this carpool lane
& that the whole point of that carpool lane is just the basest exploited privilege of the worst kind
and then years later in your old age to come off like you are legit confused by the backlash
i mean
the amount of cognitive dissonance required to live your life that way for decades boggles my fucking mind
sorry it's all cap obvious stuff & i dont mean to pile on all emo but aaargh
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 20 November 2014 04:43 (nine years ago) link
love the carpool lane metaphor
― mattresslessness, Thursday, 20 November 2014 04:57 (nine years ago) link
it is tragic almost beyond comprehension yep
― mattresslessness, Thursday, 20 November 2014 04:59 (nine years ago) link
behind all great fortunes is evil
― Nhex, Thursday, 20 November 2014 05:18 (nine years ago) link
at :35, "No no, we don't answer that."at 1:36, "Can I get something from you that none of that will be shown?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI6z97Efw3I
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 20 November 2014 05:21 (nine years ago) link
I just saw that TV Land has yanked all scheduled Cosby Show reruns.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 20 November 2014 05:37 (nine years ago) link
i think about this a lot and am thinking about it now. i will never fully understand how this works. people who do horrible things, repeatedly, i believe they have to convince themselves, and it probably happens very slowly and imperceptibly, that they're justified and normal, in order to live in the world. so i am actually curious whether the lies about it, or accusing other people of lying, or just seeming confused. i mean i think it is possible that the confusion is not all an act, it is in part real to them because of what they have had to do to their minds to be able to do evil things. or that it is an act but it feels so normal because they are so used to performing.
― flatizza (harbl), Thursday, 20 November 2014 12:54 (nine years ago) link
sorry for sentence fragment
I think people (myself included) often assume that others would feel the same bad feelings if they were to do bad things, but I just don't think that's true. I think there's a real range of conscience, or whatever, that makes it hard not to project when trying to understand what's going on in the mind of someone who does abhorrent things. Maybe empathy just involves projection to begin with? I don't know.
― Hark! The Village People (fake penthouse letters mcgee), Thursday, 20 November 2014 13:10 (nine years ago) link
One of the sad and unfortunate tributaries in this river of awful is that the legacy of this show (not to mention everyone else who worked on it) is going to be saddled forevermore with the taint of Cosby's actions.
― It's A Living! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 20 November 2014 14:50 (nine years ago) link
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120338/bill-cosby-rape-allegations-why-america-took-so-long-wake
And then there was gender. "The Cosby Show" was, on its surface, extremely progressive on the issue of domestic and professional power balancing between the sexes. Clair Huxtable was a lawyer, ambitious and funny and brilliant and demanding of respect. She and Cliff had an equitable, loving, sexually charged relationship; they offered an idealized vision of a feminist hetero coupling. He was a nurturer to their children; his engagement as a father and as a domestic partner was the basis of the whole show. Even his work had a feminist dimension: He was an obstetrician. He took joy and pride in delivering babies, in treating the impending parenthood of his patients and their husbands as a project that would be a shared one.
― forbodingly titled It's True! It's True! (Eazy), Thursday, 20 November 2014 14:52 (nine years ago) link
actually "The Cosby Show" if anything looks more iconic and singular after this shit
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 November 2014 14:55 (nine years ago) link
omg that headline
No One Wanted to Talk About Bill Cosby's Alleged Crimes Because He Made White America Feel Good About Race
like, lots of articles conflate "everyone" and "white people," but usually they catch it in the title
― da croupier, Thursday, 20 November 2014 14:58 (nine years ago) link
That headline is really disingenuous, particularly when the passage that Eazy quotes is more reflective of what's causing me such cognitive dissonance.
― It's A Living! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 20 November 2014 15:01 (nine years ago) link