just found this in an unrelated search and have spent too long browsing through 70s and 80s edition
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=SWzJ_3S6MmkC
― نكبة (nakhchivan), Thursday, 4 December 2014 01:52 (nine years ago) link
read this book review & thought it might interest ilx:http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2014/12/empire_of_cotton_a_global_history_by_sven_beckert_is_a_great_history_of.html
― Mordy, Thursday, 4 December 2014 02:12 (nine years ago) link
Well, Serial today is certainly...thought-provoking.
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 4 December 2014 13:30 (nine years ago) link
Seriously, this is probably the right week for this episode to come out and get discussed in public.
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 4 December 2014 13:31 (nine years ago) link
looking forward to getting around to that tonight -- there was just a news story about him getting a new appeal (ineffective assistance of counsel based on failure to seek out the alibi witness)
― 18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 December 2014 14:58 (nine years ago) link
SK basically shoots down the basis for that appeal in this episode--also about 20 minutes on anti-Muslim bias
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Thursday, 4 December 2014 15:41 (nine years ago) link
aw man, spoiler!!!
For real though it sounds like quite a longshot from what I know about ineffective assistance appeals. And I never thought the alibi story itself was that strong in light of other evidence.
― 18th Century Celebrity WS of Shame (Hurting 2), Thursday, 4 December 2014 15:44 (nine years ago) link
More opinion than spoiler
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Thursday, 4 December 2014 15:54 (nine years ago) link
http://www.buzzfeed.com/durgachewbose/finding-myself-in-the-first-person
Good stuff here
― 龜, Monday, 8 December 2014 14:17 (nine years ago) link
http://www.theroot.com/blogs/the_grapevine/2014/12/strange_fruit_pr_firm_vanishes_after_getting_a_history_lesson_from_twitter.html
― gr8080, Monday, 8 December 2014 19:55 (nine years ago) link
Wow. That is mind-boggling.
― Hamhole and Fly Eyes (Old Lunch), Monday, 8 December 2014 20:06 (nine years ago) link
I mean... what
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Monday, 8 December 2014 20:14 (nine years ago) link
― 龜, Monday, 8 December 2014 14:17 (5 hours ago) Permalink
There a certain reverent tone in articles like this that make them incredibly difficult to get through
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 8 December 2014 20:17 (nine years ago) link
Strange Fruit was also the name of John Peel's record label for 18 years, of course. Presumably chosen on a similar rationale that the records were outside of the mainstream.
― Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Monday, 8 December 2014 20:22 (nine years ago) link
omg @ strange fruit pr
great pr there ladies
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Monday, 8 December 2014 20:22 (nine years ago) link
My name...is a cloud...over which the rainbow...of white mouths...mispronounce...the leprechaun...of my innocence
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 8 December 2014 20:22 (nine years ago) link
Xxp
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 8 December 2014 20:26 (nine years ago) link
Serious question (before I'm blamed for being the foreign guy judging the US again): are the civil rights movement, Jim Crow laws, Emmett Till et al on the standard curriculum in primary or secondary education all across the US? I mean, is it even possible to not know what 'strange fruit' refers to once you get out secondary school?
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Monday, 8 December 2014 20:33 (nine years ago) link
I can't remember if the song "Strange Fruit" was ever discussed in my history classes.
― example (crüt), Monday, 8 December 2014 20:35 (nine years ago) link
On a certain level, public education in America is certainly to blame for instances of ignorance such as this (and for many, many more problems besides).
― Hamhole and Fly Eyes (Old Lunch), Monday, 8 December 2014 20:36 (nine years ago) link
I can see that, but the rest? The lynchings etc? Is that on the curriculum nation wide, or does it still depend on the state you're in? Xp
Not sure if I want to blame education, just wondering if it's an accepted, integral part of education. As it should be imho.
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Monday, 8 December 2014 20:37 (nine years ago) link
I'm being charitable enough towards the owners of this firm to assume that the question in this situation is: why would you use an established phrase as the name for your company when you clearly didn't know what it meant and you clearly spent no time researching its meaning/origin?
― Hamhole and Fly Eyes (Old Lunch), Monday, 8 December 2014 20:38 (nine years ago) link
I did not learn the reference until I got a Billie Holiday record in my mid-20s. Had only heard of the record label.
― how's life, Monday, 8 December 2014 20:38 (nine years ago) link
I went to enough different public schools (13) to say definitively that the quality and content of public education varies wildly from school to school.
― Hamhole and Fly Eyes (Old Lunch), Monday, 8 December 2014 20:39 (nine years ago) link
I think it's safe to say that that particular song is not part of any standardized curriculum in US schools
― Οὖτις, Monday, 8 December 2014 20:42 (nine years ago) link
But are the lynchings and JC laws etc?
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Monday, 8 December 2014 20:43 (nine years ago) link
Idk how you can name your company something without having Google image searched it first.
― Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Monday, 8 December 2014 20:43 (nine years ago) link
yes. xpost
― example (crüt), Monday, 8 December 2014 20:44 (nine years ago) link
xp High school was a long time ago, and I remember my history classes teaching the Reconstruction period in a general way, but my classes rarely made it past WWII. Jim Crow and the Civil Rights movement may have been mentioned in a class I took called "20th century America," but lynching certainly was not; and the class was an elective in any case.
― Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Monday, 8 December 2014 20:45 (nine years ago) link
it reminds me of that mitchell and webb sketch about the laundry place that names themselves "touching cloth" without knowing what it means, just cause its a popular phrase
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Monday, 8 December 2014 20:46 (nine years ago) link
I knew about the song from an early age, but likely only because my dad was an enthusiast of this music. I don't believe it was ever brought up in any class I took prior to college. For that matter, I only learned about Emmett Till from watching Eyes on the Prize when it first aired; he wasn't mentioned in any classes, either.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 8 December 2014 20:47 (nine years ago) link
"Strange Fruit" is that song about alimony right?
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Monday, 8 December 2014 20:47 (nine years ago) link
I'd never heard the song or or the phrase until some time in the last year maybe? I'm kind of clueless though--but nonetheless it's probably not that surprising for someone not to know. It IS surprising that they didn't do any background on their own company name though?
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Monday, 8 December 2014 20:48 (nine years ago) link
Thanks Phil an Crut
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Monday, 8 December 2014 20:50 (nine years ago) link
they should have gone with Queer Fish obv
― example (crüt), Monday, 8 December 2014 20:51 (nine years ago) link
The problem is less that public schools in the US don't instruct students on the meaning of "Strange Fruit" than it is that public schools in the US don't instruct students on basic critical thinking skills.
― Hamhole and Fly Eyes (Old Lunch), Monday, 8 December 2014 20:58 (nine years ago) link
^^^
― Οὖτις, Monday, 8 December 2014 21:00 (nine years ago) link
i had zero exposure to the civil rights movement in school until the college level, but do have memories of my fifth grade teacher screening the entirety of "Gone With The Wind" in our history class and carefully informing us that the Civil War was not about slaves and that the Confederates didn't really lose. So yeah, that was the eighties in the rural south.
― a stupid red mute juggalo (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 December 2014 21:05 (nine years ago) link
I remember learning about civil war/reconstruction/Jim Crow/civil rights from an early age but I'm not sure how much of that was down to exposure from my parents/books and what was from school
― Οὖτις, Monday, 8 December 2014 21:12 (nine years ago) link
yeah me toomy parents probably talked about it a loti don't think i knew about "strange fruit" til college though
― vigetable (La Lechera), Monday, 8 December 2014 21:13 (nine years ago) link
there were lots of civil right themed movies in my youth, but I can't remember learning about that stuff in school
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Monday, 8 December 2014 21:14 (nine years ago) link
I distinctly remember in elementary school being into this series of book bios that were all called "Meet [insert famous personage]", which were all about presidents except for the one that was about MLK.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 8 December 2014 21:17 (nine years ago) link
In second grade, we had a unit on the Civil Rights movement that lasted several months. Learned more about it that year than in all the other years prior to high school combined.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 8 December 2014 21:21 (nine years ago) link
damn forks, that is fuckedftr didn't know about the song "Strange Fruit" until relatively recently either
― Nhex, Monday, 8 December 2014 21:22 (nine years ago) link
High school was a long time ago, and I remember my history classes teaching the Reconstruction period in a general way, but my classes rarely made it past WWII
ditto
― ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Karl Malone), Monday, 8 December 2014 21:24 (nine years ago) link
yeah that's about it for me. i learned most of what i know from reading baldwin in college.
though i do remember a teacher laying out the specific meanings and differences among the various key words: racism, bigotry, chauvinism, bias, prejudice, sexism, segregation, etc. homophobia wasn't on the list tho.
― goole, Monday, 8 December 2014 21:27 (nine years ago) link
i remember watching a birth of a nation and talking about lynchings in middle school or high school. the real oversight imo was with '60s and '70s civil rights stuff, which i do not remember discussing in any class in any capacity
― hug niceman (psychgawsple), Monday, 8 December 2014 21:31 (nine years ago) link
yeah our history classes didn't get to the 60s
I read Black Boy and Invisible Man and a bunch of other related stuff in hs English class. Autobio of Malcolm X, some other things I'm probably forgetting.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 8 December 2014 21:32 (nine years ago) link
I honestly can't remember learning much about civil rights in K-12. I mean, I'm sure it was addressed at some point but by no means extensively. Most of my early education in that regard was in seeing the contrast between the fairly well-mixed schools I attended through junior high followed by my two practically all-white (like <1% PoC), rural high schools. Eye opening.
― Hamhole and Fly Eyes (Old Lunch), Monday, 8 December 2014 21:33 (nine years ago) link
this is enlightening to me; I was in public school in the '90s-'00s and we talked about the civil rights era a ton. my high school textbooks even went through the Clinton presidency! we rushed through everything after the Vietnam War though. (and our science textbooks were published in the '80s iirc)
― example (crüt), Monday, 8 December 2014 21:38 (nine years ago) link