He said before the officers were outed Tuesday, they were able to collect enough information to prevent four more freeway shutdown attempts.
ugh
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 12 December 2014 17:40 (nine years ago) link
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/johnson/article/Richmond-man-bruised-bullied-but-advocates-for-5951660.php
Wondering if the group who beat him could have been undercover cops?
― how's life, Friday, 12 December 2014 17:52 (nine years ago) link
I wouldn't rule it out
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 December 2014 18:08 (nine years ago) link
T or F: an unleaked d'angelo album stealth beyonce released could do serious holiday numbers
― a stupid red mute juggalo (forksclovetofu), Friday, 12 December 2014 22:47 (nine years ago) link
I am beside myself over here with laughter
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Friday, 12 December 2014 22:50 (nine years ago) link
oh for fuck's sake
― a stupid red mute juggalo (forksclovetofu), Friday, 12 December 2014 22:55 (nine years ago) link
lol
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 December 2014 22:56 (nine years ago) link
https://www.change.org/p/pass-the-ordinance-seeking-reparations-for-the-chicago-police-torture-survivorshttp://inthesetimes.com/article/16064/sorry_not_good_enough_for_torture_survivors_say_activists
Through his City Council floor leader, Pat O’Connor, and his Corporation Counsel, attorney Steve Patton, Mayor Emanuel has already voiced his reluctance to compensate the survivors who are legally barred from suing the city by the statute of limitations. But in the face of the more than $20 million Chicago has spent defending Burge, Emanuel’s claim that the city is too cash-strapped to make reparations rings hollow.
― 1staethyr, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:20 (nine years ago) link
Tamir Rice death ruled a homicide
still a ways away from bringing charges
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:40 (nine years ago) link
Here is a story of a lawsuit brought by the family of someone who was mourned in my hometown. Robert Russ was an excellent student and athlete and gave us all hope for our community, and his acceptance at Northwestern inspired a lot of local kids. He spoke at my sister's high school commencement, she knew him.
The community also suffers when they lose an innocent person, and these insensitive people who comment on Facebook or Fox News ought to be reminded of how these shootings hurt an entire community. We could have used a leader like Russ.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2003-10-18/news/0310180266_1_russ-family-russ-mother-russ-death
― Threat Assessment Division (I M Losted), Saturday, 13 December 2014 16:48 (nine years ago) link
marches across the country today--including one here in DC, where organizers from Ferguson had to fight their way to the front and demand a moment at Sharpton's mic. after about 90 seconds they were cut off and removed by security for "not having VIP passes".
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 14 December 2014 00:04 (nine years ago) link
Ugh, fuck THAT.
― Mailkhimp (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 14 December 2014 00:10 (nine years ago) link
Waiting at a busstop this evening and two vans loaded down with SWAT passed us this evening as they left downtown Portland.
― Delbert Gravy (kingfish), Sunday, 14 December 2014 01:52 (nine years ago) link
https://vine.co/v/O6Ttw1OmPMa
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 14 December 2014 01:53 (nine years ago) link
^^ sharpton's daughter getting ferguson organizers thrown off the stage
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4yGnUjIQAE-foi.jpg
― Andy K, Sunday, 14 December 2014 02:39 (nine years ago) link
Is that in Washington Square Park? Fuck, we should have gone out today. Were talking about it but the only event invite I'd seen made today's activities seem really Anonymous-y and, I dunno, hard to verbalize, but the bad side of a lot of the "eager aggressive white college types joining good causes for the wrong reasons" stuff that's been discussed recently in this thread.
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 14 December 2014 03:01 (nine years ago) link
still going:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/lippylulu
― ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Karl Malone), Sunday, 14 December 2014 03:06 (nine years ago) link
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/14/john-crawford-girlfriend-questioned-walmart-police-shot-dead
CHRIST
― Andy K, Sunday, 14 December 2014 20:31 (nine years ago) link
aaaand
http://deadspin.com/cleveland-cops-demand-apology-call-activist-browns-pla-1671032511
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 15 December 2014 01:16 (nine years ago) link
i understand that the unions have exactly one audience, but damn man know when to just STFU
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 15 December 2014 01:18 (nine years ago) link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/11/black-officers-torn_n_6310826.html
― 龜, Monday, 15 December 2014 20:32 (nine years ago) link
psychopath
― Οὖτις, Monday, 15 December 2014 23:48 (nine years ago) link
Andrew Hawkins' response is pretty fantastic:
http://www.espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=40811
― Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 00:49 (nine years ago) link
pretty sure I got eliminated from a jury pool this afternoon because I told the judge and attorneys that 'in 2014 it's difficult for me to be impartial' in a case in which a man is charged with resisting arrest without violence.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 00:52 (nine years ago) link
I filled out my potential juror paperwork recently after they hunted me down and threatened me with whatever they threaten you with. I'm never getting on a jury though.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 01:31 (nine years ago) link
"Have you ever had a negative interaction with the police?"
"I don't believe in the legitimacy of the state, especially their exercise of power through violence, or threat of violence, against citizens. So to answer your question...all of them?"
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 01:36 (nine years ago) link
idk im pretty down with the idea of jury nullification as a form of protest
― gbx, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 01:40 (nine years ago) link
what do we think about this new Wisconsin law?
― the most painstaking, humorless people in the world (lukas), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 01:40 (nine years ago) link
Someone on my fb tried to tell me jury nullification is void in New York State for some reason which he's a lawyer so he might be right but he's also a libertarian ie "White men are the REAL victims around here" so I usually assume he's wrong about everything.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 01:48 (nine years ago) link
I'm not really sure how jury nullification could ever be void, I think all it ultimately is is a post hoc description of an outcome not like an identifiable tactic or procedure or whatever
― anonanon, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 02:07 (nine years ago) link
I mean as long as you have a system where juries are required in criminal cases and acquittals are not subject to appeal by the prosecution
― anonanon, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 02:09 (nine years ago) link
i believe people should lie during jury selection if they want to nullify. idk what void even means in that context, but in a lot of places juries can't be asked to nullify or instructed that it's ok. anyway people should try to get on juries.
― kola superdeep borehole (harbl), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 02:14 (nine years ago) link
Unfortunately despite the common law origins of this idea, and a noble history, in New York which is the only venue I can speak about with authority it is prohibitied both by the oath a jury takes that it will abide by the law as instructed whether or not it agrees with the law and further, in the civil contect, with a judge's right upon motion to set aside a jury verdict.
?????
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 02:19 (nine years ago) link
I mean obv I will lie to get on a jury, that's the only way I'd ever make it.
ok that guy writes like a fucking dickhead
― kola superdeep borehole (harbl), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 02:21 (nine years ago) link
otm
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 02:25 (nine years ago) link
I did say.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 02:25 (nine years ago) link
ok well the answer to the question, can you still do it in NYS, is yes, because after the jury says not guilty no one can change it
― kola superdeep borehole (harbl), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 02:48 (nine years ago) link
Sorry to digress for a sec but I'm really struggling with a neighborhood newsgroup in which some pretty nauseating things are being written. I've taken on the lead in "constructively engaging" with at least the more reasonable-seeming of the ostrich-with-head-in-sand posters, but there are times when such engagement begins to feel like bestowal of legitimacy (not to mention I'm just feeling really pissed off). Trying to hang in there but I fucking have my limits y'know?
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 05:09 (nine years ago) link
I still haven't figured out the balance of legitimizing their humanity and also telling them to go fuck their terrible wrongheaded opinions
― Nhex, Tuesday, 16 December 2014 15:03 (nine years ago) link
Ayuh.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 15:16 (nine years ago) link
It depends on the person and their relationship to me. People who aren't very strongly connected to you don't care if you think they're wrong. So for casual acquaintances, I'm not sure it's a very effective tool. For close ppl, friends and family, though, it can be more effective over time to just keep building up the world as a place where they are wrong, backwards, losing, becoming irrelevant. Which, if culture change is happening, is hopefully all true!
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 15:18 (nine years ago) link
I'm not nec trying to change ppl's minds in one conversation, because that would be exhausting and burn me out, and also cos I don't think that's how people actually come to believe in things. It's more about being one note among many, over many occurrences until their reality really does look different to them because they start to notice different things. A clergy person who happens to say that love is more important than judgment, a chance comment by another parent at school, hearing other people say hateful things and recognizing them as such and starting to see how you've been perceived when that was you....
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 15:24 (nine years ago) link
taking notes here for the next time I get into this with my son-in-law
― some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 15:53 (nine years ago) link
I find that in arguments over this issue I have to refer to authority, and I find that wearying. I find the fact of thousands of black people protesting an authoritative enough statement that some concern needs better attention.
It's a failure of leadership, too - I'll bet a lot of these "traditionalists" go to church, where are their ministers or church authorities to iterate what scripture truly says? The Gospels don't regard the taking of life so lightly.
― Threat Assessment Division (I M Losted), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 17:00 (nine years ago) link
Thx for your comments, I find them helpful. Have more to say on this but short on time today.
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 20:55 (nine years ago) link
Every conversation that a white person has with another white person about ending racism is one less conversation that some unfortunate Black person has to have on top of living their own lives (full of racism and racist microaggressions).
I just heard second-hand today that some elected officials around here have been known to say things in public discussion (in regards to challenges faced by public education) like "Well, some families raise their kids to be basketball players...."
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 21:38 (nine years ago) link
I can never go into politics, there just aren't enough opportunities to say "FFFFF UUUUU."
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 21:39 (nine years ago) link
Also sometimes ppl who have experienced valid kinds of oppression of their own (just not RACIAL or often gendered oppression) have already mentally ceded their right to object to what was done to them. They've internalized that if they got hurt or disadvantaged by whatever it was (a learning disability, poverty, PTSD, abuse histories, immigration status, cultural isolation, etc) that it wasn't significant or "It's just the way the cookie crumbles" or whatever. You have to make the best of it, they've told themselves, and they've probably long ago stopped objecting to things that mock their former state, because...I dunno, I guess they've internalized that they don't deserve their own anger?
Sometimes having cut yourself off from recognizing the kinds of privilege you DIDN'T have makes you unable to acknowledge the kinds you do have. Sometimes ppl with every kind of privilege are still just fucking dickheads but sometimes you can encourage even a straight white dude (for instance) to decolonize his mind.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 21:46 (nine years ago) link