xpquite a lot on Bingley's bingleyness at the start of gordon burn's book on the ripper.
― woof, Thursday, 18 December 2014 10:38 (nine years ago) link
Serious question: can anyone point to an example of one of these 'Winter Wonderland' type things that hasn't been a hilariously cynical rip off organised by career criminals?
― wat if lermontov hero of are time modern day (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 18 December 2014 10:42 (nine years ago) link
dude, christmas is a hilariously cynical rip off organised by career criminals tbh
― Ottbot jr (NickB), Thursday, 18 December 2014 10:46 (nine years ago) link
Winterland, 'ever get the feeling you've been cheated?' lol
― wat if lermontov hero of are time modern day (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 18 December 2014 10:46 (nine years ago) link
xp: ur like the guy in the story who didn't like christmas and was mean but then something happened and he did like christmas and being kind after all
― wat if lermontov hero of are time modern day (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 18 December 2014 10:49 (nine years ago) link
Jesus IIRC
― Ratt in Mi Kitchen (Neil S), Thursday, 18 December 2014 10:50 (nine years ago) link
http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4795694.ece/alternates/s1227b/Yorkshires-Magical-Winterland-in-Harrogate.jpg
Shout out to leggings and foofy boots in background
― wat if lermontov hero of are time modern day (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 18 December 2014 10:53 (nine years ago) link
i thought of the funniest response to that, then i googled it and 33,000 other clowns had got there first
― Ottbot jr (NickB), Thursday, 18 December 2014 10:58 (nine years ago) link
Hyde Park Winter Wonderland? Like obvs it's a rip-off etc, but it's v v pro, probably does what it says,
― woof, Thursday, 18 December 2014 10:59 (nine years ago) link
london is not real england
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 18 December 2014 11:03 (nine years ago) link
i had no idea there were so many of these things. liking the Chester one, sponsored by MBNA card services and ft. Matalan's Grotto.
― woof, Thursday, 18 December 2014 11:12 (nine years ago) link
Real Englanders definitely visit Hyde Park's Winter Wonderland, though: I'm trying to make sure my visiting cousin realises that, mainly so I don't have to go there.
― camp event (suzy), Thursday, 18 December 2014 11:12 (nine years ago) link
Much of the Hyde Park infrastructure seems to have been imported wholesale from Germany, which goes some way towards explaining the professionalism. People seem to enjoy it - but there are no upfront ticket costs so you need to gull people into buying overpriced chestnuts via a good customer experience rather than gulling them into buying tickets for up front for a dog dressed as a reindeer.
― Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Thursday, 18 December 2014 11:12 (nine years ago) link
Much of the Hyde Park infrastructure seems to have been imported wholesale from Germany
Would say Xmas has been getting very Ersatz indeed what wif all these Xmas markets everywhere
― cardamon, Friday, 19 December 2014 02:06 (nine years ago) link
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n24/james-meek/worse-than-a-defeat
― cardamon, Friday, 19 December 2014 12:08 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/B0bLaUf.png
― r|t|c, Friday, 2 January 2015 14:38 (nine years ago) link
thought some of the unfamiliar might enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5o1SCETBRc
― ogmor, Friday, 2 January 2015 17:07 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6dW-Cr3S1U
Huddersfield 1990
― anvil, Friday, 2 January 2015 20:46 (nine years ago) link
Lol That is Deighton where I was born and raised. Later in the doc there is a mixed race dude called Leon who is a self confessed house burglar, he talks about a botched burglary where the tenant wakes up and he makes a daft comment like "the dirty bastard was sleeping in his socks". Not long after this doc was made he was kidnapped by a serious Mancunian drug dealer (for some ridiculous failed drugs robbery fiasco) who kept him prisoner for weeks and tortured him, beat the crap every day. There is a real nasty fucker on here who plays the benevolent community leader, he is one of the most repulsive thugs I have known, apart from the serial killer I went to school with from neighbouring Bradley!
― xelab, Friday, 2 January 2015 21:36 (nine years ago) link
I'm not talking about your clip obv. I mean the full length doc
― xelab, Friday, 2 January 2015 21:37 (nine years ago) link
At a point in the late 90's I ended up managing the bookies at the top of Deighton Rd. Most dangerous job I ever had, I got coshed on the head and a robber shot at the ceiling above me in the same month once. Death threats were the norm on a daily basis but that was just bantz! The guy who shot at me, shot himself the next day when surrounded by WYP armed response guns and there was an eerie whispering campaign by his family that I was at fault for his death for talking to the police. Not been back there since tbh and the bookies got closed by WYP because of drug related shit.
― xelab, Friday, 2 January 2015 22:02 (nine years ago) link
I know this far fetched but it is the truth!
― xelab, Friday, 2 January 2015 22:03 (nine years ago) link
sounds
― xelab, Friday, 2 January 2015 22:04 (nine years ago) link
fuuuck
― Ottbot jr (NickB), Friday, 2 January 2015 22:28 (nine years ago) link
the first thing i think of in that documentary, same as anything from 90-93 or so that i see these days whether factual or fictional or wherever it is set, is how old it seems
that is a tautology because it should seem old, it's just that realization that it has gone from something like like a living past that is still contiguous with the present to a latent archival past, a separate epoch that is as irrecoverable as the 70s or the 50s
― tone pulising (nakhchivan), Friday, 2 January 2015 22:29 (nine years ago) link
i'd have been sat there in a motorcycle helmet all day if that was me xp
― Ottbot jr (NickB), Friday, 2 January 2015 22:29 (nine years ago) link
and when i say 'there', i actually mean 'at home, preferably somewhere under my bed'
― Ottbot jr (NickB), Friday, 2 January 2015 22:30 (nine years ago) link
Jesus Xelab!
And my word... That Huddersfield Estate doc is absolutely amazing. I need to find a full copy w/ better sound of that. Simply amazing. Chills.
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Friday, 2 January 2015 22:47 (nine years ago) link
that burglar kid is quite handsome, at least when placed next to his friend with the chris waddle italia 90 look
― tone pulising (nakhchivan), Friday, 2 January 2015 22:48 (nine years ago) link
xxxxp I've thought about this a lot recently. I was 20 in 1994, and life back then seemed a lot closer to living in 1974 than 1994 seems to 2014. I think about the kind of thing that adults did in 1994 compared to now, and it just feels like something from one of those fly-on-the-wall BBC documentaries. Early 2000s are starting to take on that feeling of being in the past although to a lesser extent. If people from 2004 were brought forward to the present minds would be blown, but people from 1994 would still be gibbering at the sight of an iPad two weeks later.
― You are swimming in spaghetti. Without a paddle. (snoball), Friday, 2 January 2015 22:48 (nine years ago) link
idk if i posted this documentary before but even 1996 here seems like a long time ago, mostly because the accents seem to owe more to the distant past than to the present, and though that always seemed like such a longue durée process, it evidently isn't and it shifts rapidly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvFKh_3evC8
― tone pulising (nakhchivan), Friday, 2 January 2015 23:09 (nine years ago) link
the horrid old examiner cunt especially seems like something from the 50s
― tone pulising (nakhchivan), Friday, 2 January 2015 23:10 (nine years ago) link
That documentary on the Knowledge is an exception, but a lot of BBC programmes from the early 90s have this almost RP narration.
― You are swimming in spaghetti. Without a paddle. (snoball), Friday, 2 January 2015 23:29 (nine years ago) link
yes i think i remember some factoid about 3% of people speaking RP but if ever that were true, it isn't any more, save for a few people of advancing years virtually nobody now speaks with those classical reithian intonations
― tone pulising (nakhchivan), Friday, 2 January 2015 23:36 (nine years ago) link
I Just re-watched the The Estate for the first time in decades, it's all different to how I remembered it! And I made comments that referred to a different doc that is related to the local riots in Brackenhall in the 90's, can't find it yet. Also Chris Waddle said stuff I thought Leon said.
― xelab, Saturday, 3 January 2015 00:18 (nine years ago) link
this, from 1990, looking back at the 60s. as long ago now as it is from its own subject matter. it can be difficult to see past things like the faded film quality, but the delivery has that sort of paternalist feel. the cars are striking,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46QUXfghQZk
― anvil, Saturday, 3 January 2015 06:51 (nine years ago) link
Deller's re-enactment of the battle of orgreave, almost as long ago as it is to the real orgreave (only just started watching it though - re-enactments add another level of confusion though).
Documentaries about wakefield in 91 looking another era, 98 looked closer to now than to 91
― anvil, Saturday, 3 January 2015 06:54 (nine years ago) link
Accents of old people on the british library site
Listening to an 90 year old huddersfield man in 1994, recognizable. an 80 year old golcar man in 1974 sounding almost west country, didnt even code as yorkshire really
― anvil, Saturday, 3 January 2015 06:58 (nine years ago) link
Did you previously live in West Yorkshire anvil?
― xelab, Saturday, 3 January 2015 11:19 (nine years ago) link
previously and currently!
Luddenden Foot
― anvil, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 22:18 (nine years ago) link
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― Hayat Boumkattienne (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 22:20 (nine years ago) link
Gimme your own story anvil, or not, but would be genuinely interested to hear your connection with the area.
― xelab, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 22:30 (nine years ago) link
https://tpc.googlesyndication.com/simgad/6634059331615996275
― cardamon, Friday, 23 January 2015 19:43 (nine years ago) link
oh don't click that
was meant to be copying a gif advert for some online lottery thing that was very very real england
― cardamon, Friday, 23 January 2015 19:44 (nine years ago) link
― cardamon, Friday, 19 December 2014 12:08 (1 month ago)
this is an exceptionally good article, i was going to post it somewhere when it was published but it could have gone in about a dozen threads (including this one) so i sort of forgot
― nakhchivan, Friday, 23 January 2015 19:47 (nine years ago) link
PArticularly liked the Conradian bit at the start about 'a local warlord'
― cardamon, Friday, 23 January 2015 22:04 (nine years ago) link
got fascinated by the arrse thread on it tho it doesn't go anywhere particularlyhttp://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/worse-than-a-defeat.223398/arrse has some real generally
― woof, Friday, 23 January 2015 22:24 (nine years ago) link
a withering dismissal there from the person with the oskar dirlewanger avatar
― nakhchivan, Saturday, 24 January 2015 00:34 (nine years ago) link
The idea was controversial. For one example, a reviewer mentioned "the ridicule which the 'earnest' and the 'muscular' men are doing their best to bring on all that is manly", though he still preferred "'earnestness' and 'muscular Christianity'" to eighteenth-century propriety.[16] For another, a clergyman at Cambridge University horsewhipped a friend and fellow clergyman after hearing that he had said grace without mentioning Jesus because a Jew was present.[17] A commentator said, "All this comes, we fear, of Muscular Christianity."[18]
― nakhchivan, Monday, 26 January 2015 23:14 (nine years ago) link