walken lacks the charm and populist appeal of gene kelly. oh wait maybe that was kael's point!1!!?1!!? clever.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:47 (seventeen years ago) link
I had the misfortune to watch Walken in 'Romance and Cigarettes' the other day - judging by that, it's a small mercy he hasn't done more musicals.
― Stevie T, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link
(Incidentally, I rented it on the basis of this review - http://movies.nytimes.com/2007/09/07/movies/07roma.html?ref=movies - so, re the thread title, Mr Holden can safely be scratched off the list.)
― Stevie T, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:53 (seventeen years ago) link
The only hoofin' I've seen by Walken is in Pennies From Heaven and the Fatboy Slim video.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:55 (seventeen years ago) link
(Actually I now realise that it was actually this pash-note in Salon that I read -http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/review/2007/09/06/btm/index_np.html - so O'Hehir is for the chopping block too.)
― Stevie T, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:58 (seventeen years ago) link
Wait, is Morbs seriously saying That 70s Show > Arrested Development?
― jaymc, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:00 (seventeen years ago) link
Based on my viewings, certainly, but I was valuing those 2 actors for other things to (tho I've yet to see Grace in a comic film part that's better than what he did on T70S).
You AD ppl are responsible for getting Jason Bateman back in films that actually get released; thanks.
xp
Disagreeing with a critic once -- or even 200 times -- is no reason to 'chop' them.
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:03 (seventeen years ago) link
you're ignoring the comic nirvana in making a film with Jason Bateman, Topher, and Michael Cera.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link
It's kind of hard to compare That '70s Show with Arrested Development: they're doing such different things. Part of what a lot of people (including myself) think is so brilliant about the latter is how densely layered it is: there are jokes that call back to earlier episodes, there are blink-and-you-miss-'em visual gags, etc. Whereas That '70s Show is a fairly conventional sitcom. Nothing wrong with that, but the appeals are in the acting and the comforting familiarity of the structure rather than in the dizzying innovation.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link
I just saw dizzying unfunniness. But anyway, fuck TV.
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link
It's kind of hard to compare That '70s Show with Arrested Development: they're doing such different things.
yeah respectively: sucking balls and being awesome.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link
hey, to all the sane guys on this thread, i take it "that 70's show" is fairly mundane, dated bullcrap, no?
― Just got offed, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link
But anyway, fuck TV.
dude you just invalidated your own opinion of AD
― Just got offed, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link
I hate the way this sounds, but I don't think you can judge Arrested Development based on a few scattered episodes: you really have to watch them in sequence, or else half the pleasure is lost.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link
Shh! You're ruining the surprise!
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:19 (seventeen years ago) link
I don't like AD much, but no way is it less funny than 70s.
― Eric H., Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:34 (seventeen years ago) link
Yeah, I should've watched lots more of a show that made me chuckle twice in a half hour.
GUYS, CAN'T ARGUE ABOUT WHAT PPL FIND FUNNY
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:42 (seventeen years ago) link
Paging me on screwball to thread!!!!!
― Eric H., Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link
"I don't like AD much, but no way is it less funny than 70s The Awful Trurh."
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:48 (seventeen years ago) link
Roffles
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:49 (seventeen years ago) link
(x-post) Absolutely true and unarguable.
― Eric H., Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:49 (seventeen years ago) link
Walken is great in Pennies From Heaven - easily the best thing about the American version
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link
Arrested Development has never made me laugh, so why would I want to watch a whole bunch of episodes of it...?
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link
Why do people keep returning to ILX?
― Eric H., Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:52 (seventeen years ago) link
Because I just said, it's funnier when you get all the references and inside jokes. It's just not a show that's meant to be watched in a stand-alone fashion, which is part of the reason it got such lousy ratings.
Anyway, enough people whose judgments I trust said that the show was worth it, so I started from the very beginning. If the first disc of Season 1 isn't up your alley, then that's fair. And I totally understand not wanting to even expend the effort (life's too short), but know that your criticism is kind of unfounded.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:59 (seventeen years ago) link
Haha, that was an xpost, although there's some truth to that first sentence.
http://blogs.chicagoreader.com/film/2007/09/19/s-not-funny/
― Eric H., Wednesday, 19 September 2007 22:40 (seventeen years ago) link
that guy hates fun
if he has such a problem with witty dialogue perhaps "Man Gets Hit With Football in the Groin" is more his style
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 22:43 (seventeen years ago) link
WTF, MGHWFITG = LOL!
― Eric H., Wednesday, 19 September 2007 22:47 (seventeen years ago) link
i don't want to get all morby esp. because i have liked some of his work, but the last thing i need to hear about is another apatow-related project. i will never get sick of tyra gifs, however.
― omar little, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 22:54 (seventeen years ago) link
Eric, the link's down.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 23:02 (seventeen years ago) link
here you go
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 23:03 (seventeen years ago) link
Still works for me (not having cleared cache, et al). Essentially it says "Apatow doesn't make me laugh, Breillat is funny, wah wah wah."
― Eric H., Wednesday, 19 September 2007 23:04 (seventeen years ago) link
has there really been a critical "canonization" of "everything Apatow touches"? Seems like a bit of strawman baiting, or are box office receipts what he's going by...
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 23:07 (seventeen years ago) link
film comment and the new yorker and a shitload other publications have 'canonized' him, ie written nice things about him.
this happens all the time, it always has, it always will, and apatow deserves it more than most. i'm sorry if people are burned out on a guy who has directed two films and produced a few others and did some cancelled tv shows a long time ago, it must be hard for you.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 23:10 (seventeen years ago) link
I'm not burned out, tho Knocked Up is probably the first thing of his I've seen in its entirety.
― Eric H., Wednesday, 19 September 2007 23:12 (seventeen years ago) link
wait the NY piece I saw was highly critical of Knocked Up and longed for the days of Katherine Hepburn and sassy girl heroines etc.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 23:14 (seventeen years ago) link
hmmm. i heard denby gave it guarded praise. the fuck would i read it for anyway -- but compared with, say, 'anchorman', 'knocked up' has had huge middlebrow praise.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 23:17 (seventeen years ago) link
he did give it guarded praise. the tone of his review was like, oh judd apatow if you just apply yourself you'll make a film as good as the philadelphia story! or something.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 23:18 (seventeen years ago) link
yeah that's true, it is guarded praise - more like backhanded compliments than being "highly critical"
to wit: Apatow has a genius for candor that goes way beyond dirty talk—that’s why “Knocked Up” is a cultural event. But I wonder if Apatow, like his fumy youths, shouldn’t move on. It seems strange to complain of repetition when a director does something particularly well, and Apatow does the infantilism of the male bond better than anyone, but I’d be quite happy if I never saw another bong-gurgling slacker or male pack again.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 23:21 (seventeen years ago) link
I totally don't trust David Denby, btw.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 23:22 (seventeen years ago) link
fucking denby. go back to internet porn addiction or whatever it was.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 23:22 (seventeen years ago) link
lol people forgetting that Preston Sturges opened a restaurant and polishing scripts at the peak of his success. Who cares about "overexposure"?
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 23:22 (seventeen years ago) link
i misread that as "bone-gurgling slacker" at first
― omar little, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 23:23 (seventeen years ago) link
well at least we can all agree that denby is a jackass
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 23:24 (seventeen years ago) link
WHY DOES HE HAVE HIS JOB??? I WANT IT!!!
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link
You haven't read the Great Books.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 23:27 (seventeen years ago) link
I WILL READ ALL THIS GREAT BOOKS!
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 23:28 (seventeen years ago) link
Denby defended Ye Paul Haggis in this week's issue.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 23:29 (seventeen years ago) link
OF COURSE HE FUCKING DID!
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 23:29 (seventeen years ago) link