btw if that is tl;dr, ILX does have one useful button relating to how you feel about a post, it's just one over from 'bookmark'
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 14:36 (nine years ago) link
^^^ Matt DC likes this post
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 14:37 (nine years ago) link
^^^ flag post
― bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 14:38 (nine years ago) link
I'm not joking about wanting likes, I actually do!
― Jeff, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 14:48 (nine years ago) link
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 14:52 (nine years ago) link
if I can't see the FP count go up, it didn't happen
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 14:53 (nine years ago) link
things that aren't likeable, clickable, sharable, or up-worthy are all basically extraneous, since the ideal model is actually everybody clicking clicking and clicking without actually reading or thinking about anything since that's time they could be spending clicking. and facebook encourages you to see yourself as part of this system - you're not just passing through and playing a clicking-game, your basic goal in life is to get others to click on stuff.
this seems otm, and an inevitable result of letting a corporation provide our primary means of communication. it's difficult to see any way out of it short of someone creating a non-profit alternative with a similar ubiquity (yeah right) or, more likely, everyone gradually migrating over to the next ascendant corporate model that hasn't quite revealed it's big profit-making feature that ruins everything
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 14:58 (nine years ago) link
I guess I don't see how clicking is *that* important and problematic a part of fb use. when I click like it's just me nodding my head to a friend's photo, say. I post things to let my fb friends know what's going on, get the occasional cheap laugh, throw some wild speculation into the cosmos.
fb does encourage day to day keeping-up which distracts from long-term internet building, though: I like threads here b/c they can be continued years after they've begun, whereas on fb posts and convos are gone half a day later, if they even show up at all.
― droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 15:03 (nine years ago) link
i quit fb maybe 4 yrs ago in response to some bad falling outs / depressive period that lead to deep introspection after friend's suicide wherein i sort of took a look at online narcissism (mine and other's) and felt compelled to no longer "even passively take part". subsequent revaluations abt data ownership and privacy concerns have ex post facto redeemed my decision. i don't think fb is ruining the internet but i do believe it brings out a lot of bad in people and i didn't want to keep having these thoughts abt my friends and family on the daily.
subsequently im pretty much an internet hermit wrt social media generally (save a LinkedIn that is at least a yr out of date by last accounting) so my op may not hold much water here
― pursuit of happiness (art), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 15:05 (nine years ago) link
The Top Stories is the thing that drives me crazy with FB. All I want is every post, in reverse chronological order.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 15:07 (nine years ago) link
I've been curating my brand since I was in high school I'm fine with it
― 龜, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 15:29 (nine years ago) link
that awl article that max mentioned is pretty great: http://www.theawl.com/2015/02/the-next-internet-is-tv
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 15:35 (nine years ago) link
i like that article a lot and john hermans writing in general tho i dont think i really agree with it
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 15:38 (nine years ago) link
the internet is not tv the barriers to entry ate still lower than any mass medium ever and things will continue to evolve in weird unpredictable ways imho
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 15:40 (nine years ago) link
which is not to say its separate from the strange consumerist corporate global culture we live in
btw as far as on a more nitty gritty interaction level i agree w ppl who are saying likes are a bummer, or at least the counting of like is, same with follower count on twitter, all these stats that encourage gamification of social interactions are very neurotic and unchill and drive so much of what happens on these sites
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 15:50 (nine years ago) link
also tho does everyone need to see that you agree w/ the one millionth post this week on fb attacking anti-vaxxers?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 15:52 (nine years ago) link
This thread is already very long so apologies if this is OT. In some ways I like being 'friends' on FB with Ilxors. Some of you post incredibly worthwhile things and it brightens up my news feed no end. Somehow I feel as though I'm interacting with human beings on FB as opposed to an ever-changing hivemind of anonymous display names on ILX. ILX has always been an oracular interface to me. You chuck a stone down the well and often you get a chorus of unfamiliar voices screaming back at you. I'm more 'myself' on FB than I am on ILX. I think I'm smarter as CF than as dog latin, or at least I interact differently. All said it can be a bit of a mindfuck when say, DP and Ned end up in a discussion about sexism with an old acquaintance I knew from school, as did happen a couple of months back.
― Broth Viking (dog latin), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 15:53 (nine years ago) link
i think the real problem is that the dude that wrote that article i couldnt finish is on the internet at all
― no (Lamp), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 15:55 (nine years ago) link
dont click on stuff if u think clicking on stuff is ruining the world
― local eire man (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 16:06 (nine years ago) link
the big reason i don't post anything on Facebook (except for self-promotional music stuff) is because of the weird mix of groups/audiences. i don't feel comfortable talking to my real life friends, the co-workers that have added me, a few relatives, my young people music friends, my old people music friends, internet friends, and rando acquaintances all at once. about anything.
the relatively anonymous, self-selecting community of ILX (or even Twitter) is much more comfortable.
― lil urbane (Jordan), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 16:07 (nine years ago) link
It's true though, that the internet is exactly what you make of it. I get puzzled when I hear people say 'Facebook is boring now'. I can understand them having a problem with the internet and spending too much time on it, but surely how interesting Facebook is is largely down to who you're friends with. All said, I've never had much time for Twitter as I find the short character count extremely limiting and the whole format overwhelming. So maybe I do understand the Facebook-is-boring crew a little more than I care to say.
― Broth Viking (dog latin), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 16:11 (nine years ago) link
yeah the forms of the networks are crucial for sure
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 16:13 (nine years ago) link
― Jeff, Tuesday, February 24, 2015 7:07 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
they had to reorganize their data centers so as to not store copies of everything for each user. but then I agree that they get a bit too creative with the way they present all of this data to the user. just find all your friends' posts and sort that shit chronologically? no, we need an algorithm!
― you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 16:55 (nine years ago) link
i suspect for most ppl the curated timeline is better, also they never noticed or thought about it
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 16:56 (nine years ago) link
― lil urbane (Jordan), Tuesday, February 24, 2015 11:07 AM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
feeling this a lot. whenever i'm about to post something on facebook, i pretty much always think "my mother-in-law will see this"
― marcos, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 17:01 (nine years ago) link
i love posting audince inaproreate things on facebook gives me a thrill
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 17:06 (nine years ago) link
for awhile after I moved to a new city, I wondered how this one dude grew up to be such a clueless asshole. but he was also from another city, and I learned from reading comments on his fb posts that he actually grew up with a whole community of assholes. so that was good to know.
― you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 17:15 (nine years ago) link
i think a lot about establishing a separate fbook for my 'adult' self. fbook throngs with family, students, colleagues, etc etc etc. i was much freer on myspace. like in terms of talking abt relationships and sex, or politics. granted that the mechanisms *for* speaking were much more limited. but being on facebook is this horrible collision between intimacy with everyone, and feeling like you're in job-performance mode, meeting a potential client or describing what youve been up to to your not very close aunt. i think it may have actually affected me as a person, maybe even closed me off a bit from precisely those friends with whom i *would* be more comfortable sharing, because we're all on facebook. the connectedness becomes a glass wall at some point.
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 17:18 (nine years ago) link
a separate fb account for the dumb stuff works but you have to care enough to bother with both, and is it worth it? signs point to no
― droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 17:29 (nine years ago) link
u dont have to have a seperate account u can makes lists or whatever they call them idk ive never done it
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 17:29 (nine years ago) link
i do not envy people who didn't grow up with a strong divide between their public and private selvesit's one of the things i cherish most in lifethe expectation that i would need to remove this barrier more than i do is so not gonna happen
― groundless round (La Lechera), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 17:30 (nine years ago) link
to answer the question: no, but my sister ruined facebook
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 17:32 (nine years ago) link
otm. x-post
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 17:32 (nine years ago) link
online is a good way to understand yr offline self
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 17:32 (nine years ago) link
different posts and alter egos for your "friends" and "buds" lists
― you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 17:32 (nine years ago) link
btw whenever i feel the need for the old, weird internet i go to uppers(nsfw) and it helps satisfy the need a little bit.
― marcos, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 17:43 (nine years ago) link
Am I the only one who feels like he'd like his fbook feed less, not more curated? That I'd much rather literally everything showed up on it? I mean I guess I'd like to be able to block extremely annoying people but I don't really know anyone that bad. Facebook keeps trying to get me to narrow my feed to who I want to click on but I'd rather it was a mix of everything. Maybe it's just FOMO or maybe its that I don't trust my click instincts to necessarily have my best interests at heart
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 17:43 (nine years ago) link
not because it feels old but because it is weird and fun and full of surprises
― marcos, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link
Basically I'd rather feel in touch with a genuine cross section of people rather than letting my arbitrary click habits determine who Facebook thinks I care about
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 17:45 (nine years ago) link
― groundless round (La Lechera), Tuesday, February 24, 2015 11:30 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Absolutely OTM. I also understand and appreciate, in the abstract, dog latin's point in favor of getting to see ILXors more as real people via FB interaction inasmuch as it's always been hard for me to get a sense of who most people are here. As people and not as goofy, abstract usernames. I don't feel like I've ever found a comfortable middle ground wrt online interactions.
― Ad Strawmanem (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 17:46 (nine years ago) link
Ned Raggett runs my FB timeline :(
― 龜, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 17:46 (nine years ago) link
"i do not envy people who didn't grow up with a strong divide between their public and private selves"
feel the opposite! (most of the time)
― local eire man (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 17:46 (nine years ago) link
― 龜, Tuesday, February 24, 2015 11:46 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Love ned of course but sometimes when he shares something I think, no way you care about that man
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 17:48 (nine years ago) link
Am I the only one who feels like he'd like his fbook feed less, not more curated? That I'd much rather literally everything showed up on it?
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, February 24, 2015 12:43 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
thats the consensus amongst internet power users, everyone else has no idea their feed is being curated but prob likes it better
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 17:48 (nine years ago) link
i hid ned a long time ago (sorry ned)
― Mordy, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 17:49 (nine years ago) link
yeah you have to think fb has run the numbers on this, being that there are billions of dollars on the line
― iatee, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 17:50 (nine years ago) link
By "likes it better" do you mean "spends more time on it"
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 17:50 (nine years ago) link
ya
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 17:52 (nine years ago) link
tildes ruined the internet
― local eire man (darraghmac), Monday, February 23, 2015 6:55 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― dan m, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 18:07 (nine years ago) link