her whole point may be that it soecifically does not. being right makes you right and anyone can make any point.
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 20:04 (nine years ago) link
well maybe more rhetorically clever than entirely ideologically self-consistent but i think you can say "experience can be very valuable" w/out reducing it to "experience is the only thing of value"
― Mordy, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 20:10 (nine years ago) link
idk maybe who cares
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 20:10 (nine years ago) link
yeah, that's one of the interesting things about the essay. She deploys her personal ideological bona fides ("I was/am one of you") to render her argument persuasive; but one of the things she argues is that personal/group ID (like a shibboleth) is not determinative of political rationality or truth. (She uses a ladder in order to dispose of the ladder at the end.)
― drash, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 20:11 (nine years ago) link
fair analysis, you could argue it a dozen or ways I guess
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 20:13 (nine years ago) link
I relate because I'm very familiar with that rhetorical situation-- having to very carefully navigate political discussion, hedging and qualifying, maintaining your bona fides and walking on eggshells (I'm not, by temperament, an egg-crusher— though that sure seems like fun sometimes).
― drash, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 20:52 (nine years ago) link
i wonder if being "right" or speaking "truth" is an important part of politics
― daed bod (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 21:10 (nine years ago) link
one v other, or either
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 21:17 (nine years ago) link
either
― daed bod (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 21:54 (nine years ago) link
getting made and getting paid are the two main components iirc
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 22:12 (nine years ago) link
"Kimmel said Kanye West had told him, Kimmel, that Obama calls him, Kanye, at home."
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 13 March 2015 10:58 (nine years ago) link
did Kimmel ask kanye if Obama calls kanye and Kim kimye also could kanye, Kim (or kimye) tell kimmel if they think Barack was born in kenya
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Friday, 13 March 2015 13:05 (nine years ago) link
Barack in the USSR.
Have they used that one yet?
― Mark G, Friday, 13 March 2015 13:10 (nine years ago) link
No because it doesn't exist.
― nashwan, Friday, 13 March 2015 13:23 (nine years ago) link
Never stopped them before.
― Mark G, Friday, 13 March 2015 14:26 (nine years ago) link
His live sets are notoriously unpredictable. At the Wireless festival in London last summer he was reportedly booed after pausing the music to offer the crowd an extensive mid-set rant. On the other hand, his Watch the Throne tour with Jay-Z was regarded as one of the greatest hip-hop tours ever.
Whatever else might happen, it’s unlikely West’s Glastonbury appearance will be uneventful.
The Guardian is Glastonbury’s media partner.
― pom /via/ chi (nakhchivan), Monday, 16 March 2015 22:44 (nine years ago) link
sure
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 16 March 2015 23:04 (nine years ago) link
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― pom /via/ chi (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 17 March 2015 15:38 (nine years ago) link
With two huge bags of chocolate, a heap of fondant icing and a little help from a master chocolatier, Zoe Williams and her children create a homemade version of the Easter classic
― Junior Dictionary (LocalGarda), Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:35 (nine years ago) link
Who needs Creme Eggs
Creme Chickens
― Mark G, Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:36 (nine years ago) link
is this thread just where dudes c&p sentences from whatever guardian page they're on at the moment because i often struggle to see the worseness in many of these
― IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:36 (nine years ago) link
to each his own - i just personally find an article about someone making creme eggs with their kids to on the bemusing side of tedious and vapid.
― Junior Dictionary (LocalGarda), Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:38 (nine years ago) link
well that's saved 50p then
― cgi bubka (NickB), Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:40 (nine years ago) link
the last step in the recipe is somehow selling an afternoon of your life to a global news website, that covers the cost of the entire thing
― Junior Dictionary (LocalGarda), Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:43 (nine years ago) link
i just personally find an article about someone making creme eggs with their kids to on the bemusing side of tedious and vapid
Pretty sure it's not aimed at you though. Or me either tbf, and I haven't bothered to read the actual text but the piece itself is surely actually of some use to ppl with kids, right? Which puts it above a lot of space-filling lifestyle shit you read.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:51 (nine years ago) link
the piece is kind of fun, and i'm interested in how to make a creme egg even if i'll never do it, and i think zoe williams is often very good.
― IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:53 (nine years ago) link
Perhaps they should replace it with an article in which Zoe Williams reads solemnly from Doktor Faustus, a child on each knee, pointing out the parallels to the rise of fascism.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:53 (nine years ago) link
the daily mail isn't aimed at me either
― Junior Dictionary (LocalGarda), Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:54 (nine years ago) link
(I don't actually like Zoe Williams at all but this seems harmless enough)
― Matt DC, Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:54 (nine years ago) link
it's completely harmless. personally i don't like the presumption that we should care about a columnist's life. people bake things with their kids all the time - that's great, but i don't need to read about it in the paper. the world does not revolve around your classic family home.
― Junior Dictionary (LocalGarda), Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:56 (nine years ago) link
god this thread is bullshit
― IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:57 (nine years ago) link
take it easy - people are entitled to an opinion
― Junior Dictionary (LocalGarda), Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:58 (nine years ago) link
"this feature doesn't address my interests as a 30something single childless male" = the guardian is worse than it used to be
― IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Thursday, 19 March 2015 09:59 (nine years ago) link
Would actually read.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 19 March 2015 10:00 (nine years ago) link
Isn't the point that readers should care about how to make Creme Eggs with their own kids? Most parents I know are desperate for novel ways to keep them occupied for an afternoon.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 19 March 2015 10:01 (nine years ago) link
yeah its the process, not the cheapness nor making them tastier than actual creme eggs, i'm guessing
though it would not be hard to improve on hershey-era creme eggs, but that is another story
but yeah this is about women and kitchens and domestic life and therefore not important or deserving of coverage in the guardian, do i have that right?
― IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Thursday, 19 March 2015 10:03 (nine years ago) link
This is genuine Phil McNulty vapidity though.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 19 March 2015 10:04 (nine years ago) link
stevie OTM. Most of these recent examples are harmless.
― Minaj moron (Re-Make/Re-Model), Thursday, 19 March 2015 10:04 (nine years ago) link
Meanwhile they continue to publish cobblers like this.
I'm not really sure what Guardian readers are supposed to gain by reading Simon Jenkins on any subject but still ffs.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 19 March 2015 10:11 (nine years ago) link
yeah i mean i find the empty politics-as-sports punditry endlessly more egregious and tiresome than any lifestyle piece tbh
― IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Thursday, 19 March 2015 10:12 (nine years ago) link
self-righteousness doesn't work when your first instinct was to throw out personal insults.
i resent the elevation of male pundits' personal lives as well - i don't really know why somebody is supposed to care about a journalist's life. not least now when they can read their friends or relatives writing about their lives or their families very easily and readily. nor should people have to live to some stupid standard of family existence.
i mean honestly, if it was just "make your own creme eggs" i'd be p much fine with it. i just dislike cult of personality for people who haven't actually done v much to deserve it.
― Junior Dictionary (LocalGarda), Thursday, 19 March 2015 10:22 (nine years ago) link
and when i say "nor should people have to live to some stupid standard of family existence" i include people with families in that as well, fwiw.
pls direct me to the personal insults because i'm pretty sure i didn't drop any
i just dislike cult of personality for people who haven't actually done v much to deserve it.
riiiiiight
― IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Thursday, 19 March 2015 10:23 (nine years ago) link
are you normally this aggressive when someone holds a different opinion?
― Junior Dictionary (LocalGarda), Thursday, 19 March 2015 10:25 (nine years ago) link
I'm with you on this one, LG, not a 100% though.
― Walking Close to Melton Mowbray (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 March 2015 10:26 (nine years ago) link
i'm not being aggressive at all.
― IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Thursday, 19 March 2015 10:26 (nine years ago) link
has anyone ever labelled you a misogynist because you criticised an article that happened to be written by a woman?
i suppose it'd be okay because you'd know that word only applies to other men.
― Junior Dictionary (LocalGarda), Thursday, 19 March 2015 10:34 (nine years ago) link
The lifestyle features in the Guardian generally irk me because they assume (probably accurately) that the readership enjoys/shares a certain level of income and has access to every new metropolitan fad and fancy - these features almost never question consumerism, middle class privilege or Londoncentrism.
I can see why Zoe Williams gets a lot of work from the Guardian - she can turn out something decentish on pretty much any subject - but there's something a bit gruesome about her using her kids as another source of 'good copy' (again, this applies to plenty of male Guardian hacks, too).
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 19 March 2015 10:35 (nine years ago) link
and a certain lifestyle. the list of people who don't have kids is significantly longer and more diverse than irish dickheads in their 30s - and getting longer.
― Junior Dictionary (LocalGarda), Thursday, 19 March 2015 10:39 (nine years ago) link