let's secede from NYS
― Past a Diving Jeter (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 16:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Wasn't it outer borough dems that boned you on this one.
― Prince of Persia (Ed), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 16:48 (fifteen years ago) link
taxing the alternative, driving into the city, will increase farebox revenue as well as subsidising the service so it is a double win. Yes the MTA is dubious but it seems the only way they can get funded is by playing chicken with Albany.
― Prince of Persia (Ed), Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:40 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
or like they could manage the resources they have better
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 16:49 (fifteen years ago) link
They're just looking for reasons to complain that they should have been allowed to make another six fortunes by selling all the space over their switching/storage yards to the highest bidder, regardless of what that would mean for everyone else's quality of life.
― How can there be male ladybugs? (Laurel), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 16:51 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm shocked at the general level of morality and decency on the comments section of that nytimes piece about the fare hikes. shocked!
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 17:48 (fifteen years ago) link
why exactly is congestion charging and/or east river bridge tolling an "ass idea", ice cr?m?
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 17:49 (fifteen years ago) link
theyre regressive taxes
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 17:50 (fifteen years ago) link
i believe in letting things flow not billionaire mayor fiddle faddle
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 17:52 (fifteen years ago) link
― Past a Diving Jeter (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:47 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
btw ive been advocating this move for years
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 17:55 (fifteen years ago) link
1) they could be crudely means-tested, i.e. if you receive medicare or medicaid you get a deal2) they discourage car use leading to:2a) less emissions2b) higher average speeds in the city3) the money can go directly to public transit, which benefits primarily the middle and working class
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 17:56 (fifteen years ago) link
there's no commuter tax?!? wtf, I paid one pre-'92 from NJ.
― Past a Diving Jeter (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:02 (fifteen years ago) link
imo its control freak anti city thinking - if u want to drive in the city fine go ahead it will be slow
the means testing seems like some serious pie in the sky shit - remind me do the do that w/the gw bridge toll
as far as earmarking funds thats a classic switchero theyll just take it out somewhere else - that shit w/the state ripping fools off through the lottery then saying look it goes towards schools drives me crazy - it doesnt go toward schools it goes into a pot called the state budget
if u can reduce emissions thats cool - obv it wouldnt be enough to affect our global environmental problems but maybe itd be enough to cut down on some of our local air quality issues i dont know
either way this approach seems overly punitive and regressive - how abt encouraging people to drive less by make public transportation better and cheaper - reduce emissions through encouraging more efficient cars
should be noted too that tolls create congestion greater emissions a traffic accidents
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:12 (fifteen years ago) link
congestion pricing requires no physical in-car toll collection, it can all be done with cameras and credit cards
the way to make public transportation better is by raising average traffic speeds in the city - buses are a big part of public transport and if driving is slow, buses are slow
you wouldn't even have to means-test it - if the funds stayed in the transport budget and went towards more buses, subway maintenance, etc that is a direct transfer of money to the working class
taxis would obv get a break
hybrid cars and other green cars would get a break
sorta crazy that in the middle of a national financial emergency, skyrocketing unemployment numbers and general recession, all of which require massive government spending preferably on infrastructure, the city of new york is cutting services and raising fares - although i guess that's what happens when republicans block federal aid to the states
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:16 (fifteen years ago) link
btw that just wiped out my payroll tax reduction
― Past a Diving Jeter (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:18 (fifteen years ago) link
tracer buses dont count as they are nothing but purveyors of depression and disease - not sure how many times i have to explain this to u
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:19 (fifteen years ago) link
they are important purveyors for late-night travel after sexin
― Past a Diving Jeter (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:21 (fifteen years ago) link
YES WE CAN, ice cr?m
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:22 (fifteen years ago) link
i've never had sex on a bus
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:23 (fifteen years ago) link
btw if congestion pricing really led to a long term improvement in public transportation id grudgingly support it even tho i philosophically disagree w/its approach - id much rather see an acknowledgment that public transpo is a worthwhile thing to spend tax money on
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:24 (fifteen years ago) link
city should replace all buses w/trams - trams are rad imo
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:25 (fifteen years ago) link
also i want some BULLET TRAINS up in this bitch asap
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:28 (fifteen years ago) link
You can have my city buses when you pry them outta my cold, dead, fuck you, guy. Buses have made my social life possible on many occasions.
― How can there be male ladybugs? (Laurel), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:31 (fifteen years ago) link
jet packs are the only real solution
― from crass encino (velko), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:33 (fifteen years ago) link
trams scare the fuck outta me.. so silent.. so heavy
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:34 (fifteen years ago) link
but laurel srsly more subways would be better right - u cant tell me u like stopping every three blocks and then waiting while some old lady drags her ass up the steps then waiting at a red light - also on the bus theres always at least one guy crying blood which is pretty weird
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:36 (fifteen years ago) link
yes but aside from 2nd Ave subway, new subways will come when we are all dead.
― Past a Diving Jeter (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:39 (fifteen years ago) link
(if then)
Pretty sure the bus would be more awesome if some guy were crying blood instead of just eleventy old ladies with their grocery shopping being on the bus, jho.
And "more subways" will NEVER be a substitute for buses because buses use the same infrastructure as cars and the routes can be altered over time, whereas subways require huge stand-alone investment. Buses will always be decades ahead of trains in terms of reaching outskirts of any metro area; tbh the trains may never catch up at all, if the bus systems work for people over time.
xp yah what Morbs said.
― How can there be male ladybugs? (Laurel), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:40 (fifteen years ago) link
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2:19 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
are you just talking about buses in Manhattan? cause many brooklyn buses work quite well and quickly (hello B61)
― mizzell, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:41 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, I hear good things abt the B61. Also I adore the B48 like my own mother, and the B65 is pretty useful too.
― How can there be male ladybugs? (Laurel), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:42 (fifteen years ago) link
http://scoopsnoodle.com/bus/CrosstownEnnui.jpg
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:43 (fifteen years ago) link
obv fuk a bus in manhattan until age 125.
― mizzell, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:44 (fifteen years ago) link
i know this pod car shit will never work but its quite adorable anyway and the idea of going anywhere in the system w/o transferring is amazing http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/10/personal-pod--1.html
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:49 (fifteen years ago) link
ive been known to fuck w/ the b26 and the b46--i never liked buses but w/ the recent jay st. to utica debacle i have been taking the bus more often & it sort of rules
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:52 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.c-we.com/piranha/sleeper1.jpg
― Past a Diving Jeter (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:57 (fifteen years ago) link
the pod would be great, apart from the vast quantities of various bodily fluids that would quickly accumulate in every single one
― nabisco, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:57 (fifteen years ago) link
i mean that is basically like "subways: now with even more masturbation"
― nabisco, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:58 (fifteen years ago) link
lol wired magazine
so these pods' big selling point over mass transit is "privacy" and "security"? since when were those actual issues for people trying to get to work??
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 22:29 (fifteen years ago) link
whenever i think of wired magazine i think of "smart drinks". it is basically just the gizmo section of playboy with 6000 extra words of pop-psych justification.
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 22:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Blame 'Gang of Three' traitors - Carl Kruger, Ruben Diaz Sr. and Pedro Espada - for MTA fare hike
― mookieproof, Thursday, 26 March 2009 21:58 (fifteen years ago) link
i've been taking buses every saturday in 2009 pretty much, what with the constant delays & trackwork on the Q, not to mention the weekends where the L was only running between brooklyn & manhattan every fifteen minutes. I leave my house later, take the bus, and get to work earlier. B48 is my fave--in fact two or more of my recent Laurel=spottings have been while on, getting off, or waiting for the bus. Hi Laurel!
also the mta can go fuck itself and i promise this is the spring i fix my bike.
― ian, Thursday, 26 March 2009 22:21 (fifteen years ago) link
i took the b48 after our trade the other night, great experience, dropped me off right near the b26, took about as long, if not shorter, than it would have taken for me to take the S to the C
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Thursday, 26 March 2009 22:22 (fifteen years ago) link
the S!!
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 26 March 2009 23:18 (fifteen years ago) link
the S within Brooklyn no less. b48 is classic latenight williamsburg -> pros. heights transit.
― ian, Thursday, 26 March 2009 23:27 (fifteen years ago) link
No, there still is. Live in NJ, work in NYC, you pay some X% new york city income tax, in addition to your NJ state tax and NY state tax. Dumb.
― lyra, Friday, 27 March 2009 00:13 (fifteen years ago) link
uh-uh. it was repealed in 1999. bloomberg has tried to reinstate it, but hasn't been able to.
― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 27 March 2009 15:03 (fifteen years ago) link
trams scare the fuck outta me.. so silent.. so heavy― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 13:34 (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 13:34 (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I've been trying to a find a list of famous people killed by trams but other than Gaudi, I got nothing.
― Prince of Persia (Ed), Friday, 27 March 2009 15:19 (fifteen years ago) link
probably a coverup by the influential tram lobby
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Friday, 27 March 2009 15:25 (fifteen years ago) link
roosevelt island tram is rad they hav their own tokens
― ice cr?m, Friday, 27 March 2009 15:32 (fifteen years ago) link
The doomsday clock on MTA funding is running down, but we're not out of time just yet. We need to keep the pressure on Albany, urging our elected officials to stand up for transit. To that end we invite you to join us in Union Square, South Plaza on Tuesday, April 28th from 5:30pm-7:30pm for a rally. We need to send a clear message that New Yorkers are united against 25% fare increases and service cuts. We hope you can make it.
New Yorkers Against the Fare Hikes and Service Cuts Rally Union Square, South Plaza Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:30pm-7:30pm
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 24 April 2009 11:24 (fifteen years ago) link