I was wondering if the "church" part of "the church of Scientology" was a post-Hubbard invention that reflects that IRS fight. feel like even if you take their ideology at face value it doesn't really seem like a religion to me. even Xenu is not exactly a supernatural being or Creator. there's a creation myth for humanity but not for the world as a whole, etc. there's really no "mystery" which strikes me as common to the major religions outside Buddhism.
― ryan, Tuesday, 31 March 2015 20:18 (nine years ago) link
ryan you should really read the book
― 龜, Tuesday, 31 March 2015 20:20 (nine years ago) link
like there's nothing, in principle, beyond the grasp of human beings--as if it's truly a humanism gone bonkers.
xp: I know!
― ryan, Tuesday, 31 March 2015 20:20 (nine years ago) link
I was wondering if the "church" part of "the church of Scientology" was a post-Hubbard invention that reflects that IRS fight. feel like even if you take their ideology at face value it doesn't really seem like a religion to me
The doc basically said Hubbard veered more towards religion when science and psychiatry rejected Dianetics.
― Junior Dictionary (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 31 March 2015 20:24 (nine years ago) link
xp - you're welcome :)now you see the world through my eyes
― groundless round (La Lechera), Tuesday, 31 March 2015 23:14 (nine years ago) link
it's the weird red rotting bottom teeth that scared me the most, but pretty much his whole mouth area is just *NO*
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 1 April 2015 02:28 (nine years ago) link
wish there was a way to be audited without actually doing all the scientology stuff, that part seemed kinda interesting lol -- i think I just like personality/psychology tests
scientology checks off an awful lot of 'is it a cult criteria'. but the fact that L Ron never explicitly positioned himself as the God of his religion is I think a lot of the reason why scientology has endured for so long. that and the tax-shelter focus. tbh I think the $$ is the bigger reason, since that brought in followers seemingly of 'good standing'; like they're still preying on a need, but once you move past trolling hippies and runaways and you start bringing in people in spheres of influence out in the world, you can get of shit done.
that's not to say L Ron and scientology isn't scary in and of its own right. but i think the innocuity that they pretend at is what is scariest, because it's so effective.
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 1 April 2015 02:47 (nine years ago) link
I took a Scientology test thing in Portland, OR once because I took a wrong turn trying to get to some park and ended up in a boring part of the city with nothing but a chain Mexican restaurant and a Scientology store front. They said I was in pretty good shape, personality-wise, except that I could probably use some Scientology.
― from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Wednesday, 1 April 2015 02:50 (nine years ago) link
lol
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 1 April 2015 02:53 (nine years ago) link
L Ron never explicitly positioned himself as the God of his religion
I guess he probably didn't, but I think Scientology generally does treat him that way. He is the most "clear", nobody will ever be as clear as him etc etc.
― Junior Dictionary (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 1 April 2015 08:15 (nine years ago) link
L Ron is a prophet with superpowers who has defeated death and will return at some point. Sounds like a god to me.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 1 April 2015 08:32 (nine years ago) link
THE. WAR. IS. OVER!!!
really need an animated gif of this part
― gr8080, Wednesday, 1 April 2015 11:48 (nine years ago) link
So happy to see kenneth anger footage on HBO
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 April 2015 14:20 (nine years ago) link
Scientology - A grand bunch of lads
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s4dZy7eLsOw
― tayto fan (Michael B), Friday, 17 April 2015 14:45 (nine years ago) link
ooh shit jason lee's ex wife speaks out
http://gawker.com/why-i-left-scientology-1703997050
― Cory Sklar, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 18:44 (nine years ago) link
http://blogs.indiewire.com/bent/8-totally-insane-quotes-from-laura-prepons-interview-with-scientology-magazine-celebrity-20150708
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 23:52 (nine years ago) link
Just now saw a headline over supermarket checkout, re: Tom C. leaving Scientology for Suri's sake (something about about a phone call and tearful promise)(also "Scientology agents" looking for him)
― dow, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 23:58 (nine years ago) link
There is no way in hell i'd ever believe that would happen.
― I checked Snoops , and it is for real (Trayce), Thursday, 9 July 2015 00:10 (nine years ago) link
http://www.thefrisky.com/2015-07-07/sorry-but-tom-cruise-is-not-leaving-scientology-and-he-probably-never-will/
― I checked Snoops , and it is for real (Trayce), Thursday, 9 July 2015 00:11 (nine years ago) link
Do Scientology enrollees get sponsors? Can Scientology give me a free personal trainer that's willing to go the extra mile?
― The Once-ler, Thursday, 9 July 2015 00:25 (nine years ago) link
Maybe but it'll probably mostly be you holding an e-meter and saying the word "abs" over and over until the needle doesn't move.
― that's why god destroyed the radio (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 9 July 2015 02:27 (nine years ago) link
re that blog, how are those quotes "totally insane"? They were actually a decent advert for the church!
― Drop soap, not bombs (Ste), Thursday, 9 July 2015 12:47 (nine years ago) link
because they use a bunch of insider jargon that is, as you say, a good recruitment tool if you're thinking "wow, she gets results, I better find out what this word salad means" but if you have any inclination to believe that jargon isn't just the scrawlings of an opportunistic science fiction writer of the 50s then you're already on the boat, so to speak
― Upright Mammal (mh), Thursday, 9 July 2015 13:53 (nine years ago) link
Surriously. Confident and successful people talking passionately about how they became confident and successful can induce an understandably positive response in people, but that general scenario almost always triggers a skeptical response in me. I always assume that those people are, in one way or another, feeding off of a void felt by their audience.
― Turn That Pout Inside Out! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 9 July 2015 14:03 (nine years ago) link
it is too bad that most frameworks for helping people come to a sense of self-actualization and confidence are profit centers for people marketing motivational and focus-based techniques but capitalism
there are more altruistic frameworks but their marketing budget is bad
― Upright Mammal (mh), Thursday, 9 July 2015 14:07 (nine years ago) link
Might be worth it -- never seen a fat Scientologist.
― ... (Eazy), Thursday, 9 July 2015 14:17 (nine years ago) link
fat people are subversive by their very nature
be fat, my friends
― Upright Mammal (mh), Thursday, 9 July 2015 14:38 (nine years ago) link
Plenty of blubbard on the Hubbard
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 9 July 2015 14:41 (nine years ago) link
Appetite Suppressive Personalities
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 9 July 2015 15:04 (nine years ago) link
When I was doing my Objectives, I was handling some intense stuff—as everyone who has done Objectives can relate
is there a scientology buzzfeed for stuff like this?
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Thursday, 9 July 2015 15:07 (nine years ago) link
it was just sitting there in my bank, affecting me!!!
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 9 July 2015 15:11 (nine years ago) link
I remember when I was directing this pilot for a show I co-created called Neighbors.I showed up to our biggest day of shooting, where we had children, student teachers, all the cast, big scenes—I remember thinking when I looked at the schedule, “Once I get through this day the rest of the shoot will be a breeze.” Well, I showed up in the morning and we had lost our locations. I was so shocked. Everybody was scrambling. But instead of getting into the worry or any previous mis-emotion slamming in on me or getting me stressed out, I just turned to my producer and said, “Okay, we need a solution. What are our other options?” And we quickly got to work on Plan B. The fact that I had no irrational counter-emotion or reaction and just went into solution mode, I feel, is definitely a testament to my auditing."
what a life-changing moment
― doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Thursday, 9 July 2015 15:11 (nine years ago) link
a problem happened and i told someone that we needed a solution
― doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Thursday, 9 July 2015 15:12 (nine years ago) link
it's scary how precisely like a bad infomercial for medicine that reads. i mean, presumably because the entire interview was scripted.
there was a problem, but thanks to scientology i knew how to enter solution mode. i asked my adviser for three potential options. 2 weeks later i asked my assistant to set up the decision briefing. the adviser described the 3 options. i asked my other adviser which option was the best, and he counseled me to choose option C. i'll never forget those 2 weeks of intense problemsolving and decisionmaking.
― 1992 ball boy (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 July 2015 15:17 (nine years ago) link
Yay you didn't fire somebody on a whim good for you.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 9 July 2015 15:19 (nine years ago) link
mis-emotion slamming me over
― doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Thursday, 9 July 2015 15:25 (nine years ago) link
tbh much of my life is irrational counter-emotions
― Upright Mammal (mh), Thursday, 9 July 2015 15:43 (nine years ago) link
She's not the only one with mis-emotions.
― Turn That Pout Inside Out! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 9 July 2015 15:47 (nine years ago) link
giving scientology a lifetime of devotion?that's just a mis-emotion
― Zing Zinglar (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 9 July 2015 15:48 (nine years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPdiT27WoAAwDQn.jpg
this came up in my twitter feed yesterday. presume they are targeting all of alex gibney's followers.
― doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:39 (nine years ago) link
actually just realised i don't follow him, so not quite sure how they'd have targeted me. maybe they are just spamming a huge number of people.
― doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:43 (nine years ago) link
I think that "Promoted by" thing on the bottom means it's a paid ad
― badg, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 17:13 (nine years ago) link
I get ads from sc1 on twitter pretty often. But I have tweeted stuff about them in the past so it isn't too surprising to me.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 17:37 (nine years ago) link
yeah i knew it was a paid ad, i just wondered if they'd targeted it at everyone on twitter or more specifically. like presumably that's how you pay for an ad, by hitting everyone who follows x, y, z? i guess not necessarily.
― doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link
probably also due to keywords in your tweets
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 18:04 (nine years ago) link
makes sense. i think going clear actually aired in the uk for the first time on monday so they're obviously doing their dirty work. it's strange i suppose kinda heartening that a sinister institution like scientology still can't feign normality - like the way they fake things is so juvenile and kind of smug - like your granddad learning how to use the internet but he's on roids and dictating to a pr person. "if you need propaganda, the dr is in!"
― doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 18:10 (nine years ago) link
ha
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 19:29 (nine years ago) link
yeah, I've totally noticed that vibe when scientology goes after critics -- it's also very anxious. I've seen the same thing when "vax truthers" try to turn the tables on the actual scientific community, e.g. as seen in many memes/macros found here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/VaccineResistanceMovement/
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 19:49 (nine years ago) link
Leah Remini will be on 20/20 on October 30th discussing Tom Cruise and Scientology.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpmcbkAidvM
― how's life, Monday, 26 October 2015 17:31 (eight years ago) link