maybe he should set his stuff in idk Finland or something then
― Οὖτις, Thursday, April 9, 2015 2:38 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
by that rationale matt weiner and david chase shouldve done the same! weiner has the (legit but convenient) excuse of it being period-accurate, david chase, aaaahhhhhh, eeeehhrrrmmmmm...but whatever.
pizzolato's problems are way more woman-related than anything else. if the show proves me wrong sure i'll eat the attendant crow but i don't expect him to totally witewash socal the way that say, lena dunham witewashes brooklyn.
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 9 April 2015 18:58 (nine years ago) link
Chase and weiner's shows both featured minorities
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:01 (nine years ago) link
So, no
Agree p-zone is awful w women
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:02 (nine years ago) link
so did the first season of true detective! we can debate about prominence of role, which yea is a problem but thats a problem of almost all tv, and it won't be rectified anytime soon aside from maybe by empire, and the success of that show is a major step in the right direction.
for the record, whenever black people showed up on the sopranos they were complete and utter stereotypes barring your one example of a rapper with a degree in urban planning in season 1, which was actually interesting. tbf that matched up with the view most of chase's italian north jersey characters had of black ppl, cant speak to chase's own.
as far as mad men goes they are not prominent at all, which again, is period accurate sadly, but pleeeeeaaassse don't even try to say matt weiner is a paragon of diversity representation or progressiveness just because pete campbell said IT'S A SHAMEFUL SHAMEFUL DAY in season 6 during the MLK assassination episode
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:08 (nine years ago) link
imo its okay to have a show with only brooding white men like for instance who is more conflicted than a white man nobody i shd know i am one
― lag∞n, Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:11 (nine years ago) link
catholics AND protestants
― j., Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:11 (nine years ago) link
xp lol
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:13 (nine years ago) link
It's like Michael Mann's The Shield.
Would absolutely watch that. (Though, as long as we're ticking boxes, The Shield and most of Mann's movies had lots of prominent minority characters in non-villain/monster roles.)
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:15 (nine years ago) link
Marty's series of booty calls was a little one dimensional but the wife character (can't remember her name, lol) was fine until they seemed to not know what to do with her for the final 2 eps. though there's a dignity in her getting away from all that.
― ryan, Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:16 (nine years ago) link
yeah mann always had diverse casts & its one of the many reasons why he's kinda the platonic ideal of modern crime filmmaking (still seems to, altho im prob not gonna see blackhat and find out)
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:19 (nine years ago) link
(xp)
I don't really disagree about the portrayal of black people in Sopranos that you lay out, but wasn't aware we were speaking strictly of black people
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:24 (nine years ago) link
we weren't. but i can't even recall latino characters having ANY significant roles!
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:24 (nine years ago) link
AJ's puerto rican girlfriend, Hesh, arab guys show up for a few episodes (not as a v significant characters tbh), I'm probably forgetting some others
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:29 (nine years ago) link
Blanca! forgot her name
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:30 (nine years ago) link
ah and of course the half-black/half-Jewish boyfriend, he was a good character
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:31 (nine years ago) link
which gave us this awesome scene:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPLduQIZFzQ
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:32 (nine years ago) link
Junior's asian sidekick in the resthome
as for Mad Men, I agree they have not given minority characters a lot of time (outside of Ginsberg), but they have made a point (repeatedly) of showing how exclusionary the world of the main characters is - whether it's Roger in blackface, Dawn/Shirley's interactions and experiences, or the Drapers' shitty treatment of Carla
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:34 (nine years ago) link
The way they ended S01 makes me think of the whole damn enterprise as a fluke. Will check S02 out tho, obv.
― dandy don's weiner (rip van wanko), Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:40 (nine years ago) link
there was the old civil rights/union organizer in Sopranos too (and his son, iirc?) that was a good couple of episodes
xxp
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:41 (nine years ago) link
and Lord Jamaar and Treach in the hospital
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:43 (nine years ago) link
sorry we can take this discussion to another thread but now the more I think about it the more I think slothroprhymes dismissal of Sopranos is totally wrong
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:44 (nine years ago) link
I love shake's cap'n save-a-soprano act
― 龜, Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:46 (nine years ago) link
Strangely intrigued as to what Vince Vaughn will do with this. Otherwise... yea ok
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:50 (nine years ago) link
r there going to be more eps this time
― lag∞n, Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:51 (nine years ago) link
not a lot of eps last time around
i like the sopranos just fine, shakey, but it has race-related probs that are common among many prestige shows, which obviously is the main prob. never thought of hesh as a minority character but having grown up mostly in north jersey i can confirm that a significant number of the dudes that show portrays would think that. ginsberg for his era & in the WASPy wite advertising world would be as well.
anyway, for all of true d's (many!) problems, race is not one of them re ially. the two most prominent black characters (michael potts and tory kittles) receive top billing alongside mcconaughey, harrelson and monaghan) are A. cops & not particularly stereotypical ones and B. markedly more well-adjusted than the brooding wite leads!
the ideal world would give those two characters their own show, & hopefully the success of stuff like empire and how to get away with murder points toward the right direction for that to happen.
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:52 (nine years ago) link
xp i believe it'll be 8 once again
xp to self: *really.
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:53 (nine years ago) link
this looks as good as an equiv wordless trailer of the first seas would have looked at the time. still pumped.
― flopson, Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:55 (nine years ago) link
I don't think anyone was saying the show had a problem with race in season one. When I pointed out the lack of people of color in the teaser i should have included "and it is set in contemporary Los Angeles." That's not what LA looks like. (Tho perhaps it does in the world of ~detectives~)
― Clay, Thursday, 9 April 2015 20:01 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Thursday, April 9, 2015 3:51 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark
The public wants more detection
― 龜, Thursday, 9 April 2015 20:09 (nine years ago) link
los blancoles more like
― lag∞n, Thursday, 9 April 2015 20:09 (nine years ago) link
i thought shakey was being a bit reductive w/ the "set stuff in finland" joke, clay your initial statement re: the trailer was p accurate
tbrr as a result of nic pizz's issues w/ writing women or honestly anyone who isn't a brooding wite who has secrets i now feel kind of awful for having defended him on any point, like he devises intriguing noir plots & his lines can sing when they dont clunk (it's basically a tossup as to which will happen) but seems like a not good person otherwise
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 9 April 2015 20:15 (nine years ago) link
remember when he m/l plagiarized a shit ton of lines too man I forgot how much I h8 this guy
― Clay, Thursday, 9 April 2015 20:20 (nine years ago) link
this seems like a good place to drop in a PSA for people to watch banshee, btw
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 9 April 2015 20:23 (nine years ago) link
I love Farrell, he's so wounded I want to take care of him
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 April 2015 22:07 (nine years ago) link
ya i like him too en bruges is my fav movie
― lag∞n, Thursday, 9 April 2015 22:13 (nine years ago) link
Cosign
― dandy don's weiner (rip van wanko), Thursday, 9 April 2015 22:13 (nine years ago) link
I'm a New World apologist too but I get why ppl wouldn't like it
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 10 April 2015 00:15 (nine years ago) link
Also I'm a fiend for mojitos
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 10 April 2015 00:16 (nine years ago) link
Nice digital camerawork, too.― with HD lyrics (Eazy), Thursday, April 9, 2015 6:43 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Season 1 was shot on 35mm, which was nice
― Walter Galt, Friday, 10 April 2015 00:18 (nine years ago) link
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, April 9, 2015 4:15 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
iirc max is responsible for your opinion/the meme that pizz is a Bad Person http://morningafter.gawker.com/nic-pizzolatto-is-a-schmuck-and-true-detective-will-suc-1617847916 seems like it was just 'slow day at the office' or something
― flopson, Friday, 10 April 2015 00:26 (nine years ago) link
like he seems like a totally normal dude
― flopson, Friday, 10 April 2015 00:27 (nine years ago) link
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, April 9, 2015 8:16 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
same
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 00:33 (nine years ago) link
xxp I actually don't think he's a plagiarist, that wasn't what I was referring to. more the way he comes off in certain interviews (the infamous "branzino lunch" one and bitching about his critics in a lame way in another
it does not surprise me tho that max read wrote a pisstake article out of boredom/quotas if that is indeed the case, I mean denton has v specific goals for pageview totals it must be stressful sometimes
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 10 April 2015 00:37 (nine years ago) link
"not a good person" may have been a strong description
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 10 April 2015 00:39 (nine years ago) link
he just seems like a self-serious dbag
― call all destroyer, Friday, 10 April 2015 00:42 (nine years ago) link