See also the worst piece of music writing thread
― a strawman stuffed with their collection of 12 cds (jjjusten), Saturday, 18 April 2015 16:45 (nine years ago) link
no one on ilx wrote the horny mom story
― deej loaf (D-40), Saturday, 18 April 2015 16:52 (nine years ago) link
for once
― And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 18 April 2015 16:55 (nine years ago) link
it is kinda distasteful to start an ilx thread as a short cut for writing an old-man-is-angry letter to the gawker editor but gawker is weird and I imagine they just wish this conversation were on kinja― iatee, Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:22 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkat least ilx monetizes jj's anger a little bit with our google ads I guess― iatee, Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:24 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― iatee, Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:22 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
at least ilx monetizes jj's anger a little bit with our google ads I guess
― iatee, Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:24 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
feel like these posts were made in the pocket but thread swung too fast to fully appreciate
― And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 18 April 2015 16:56 (nine years ago) link
Instead of criticizing a tabloid you should focus on criticizing the BAD tabloids. The ones who do it badly, with less verve.
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:01 (nine years ago) link
this is more like someone telling the new head coach you're mad that he doesn't play women in the NFL, its like of course it's more right but you can't accuse someone w/in the system of not singlehandedly changing the behavior of an entire system, the shape the system takes when its created doesn't just shift overnight bc you've hired a cool new person who knows that horny mom stories are in poor taste
What
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:02 (nine years ago) link
lol at this "day job" stuffI was unaware that Gawker articles were actually internal company memos leaked onto the Internet rather than publicly available pieces of writing
We may as well shut down all the threads about NRO the Corner and Right Wing cartoonists because those guys are just doing their jobs and fishing for clicks too
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:07 (nine years ago) link
no what you should do is make sure to make identical threads for the huffington post, elite daily, and the clickbait factories that don't even bother to pay kiese laymon, and make sure to update them every time there is a viral news story
― deej loaf (D-40), Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:21 (nine years ago) link
no
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:23 (nine years ago) link
Is gawker just like those places
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:23 (nine years ago) link
" imo you either have to criticize tabloid journalism relative to other tabloids, otherwise it's just annoying idealism"
also no
nobody has to do anything but especially nobody has to do these things
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:25 (nine years ago) link
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7066236
huff post article doesn't refer to her as the Horny Mom
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:26 (nine years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, April 18, 2015 12:02 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
sorry if that was unclear but i think u guys live in a childlike fantasy of backseat drivers where living in the world doesn't require constant negotiation and compromise
― deej loaf (D-40), Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:28 (nine years ago) link
I don't think it's "right" for women to play in the NFL. I mean it would be cool sure
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:30 (nine years ago) link
ya its real tough out there in the real world of uh writing throwaways on the internet, nobody here has any more valid realness experience than that and therefore should not actually dare voice an opinion where it can be challeneged by realness warrior d-40
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:31 (nine years ago) link
this was written by a professional music critic
― da croupier, Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:32 (nine years ago) link
Is that from Ollie North's testimony?
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:32 (nine years ago) link
oh i don't think I'm some voice of realness and authenticity i just think a few of you are holier than thou rubberneckers & moralizers ^__^
― deej loaf (D-40), Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:33 (nine years ago) link
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Saturday, April 18, 2015 12:32 PM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i was hoping for a 'the nazis said they were just doing their jobs' comparison but this will do
― deej loaf (D-40), Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:34 (nine years ago) link
if you object to horny mom stories denton fires you on the spot i bet
― polyphonic, Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:35 (nine years ago) link
You want me on that wall, you need me on that wall
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:35 (nine years ago) link
have we gotten to the point where everyone realizes that the entire media industry is driven by clickbait traffic yet or are we still stuck on scapegoating the couple people we know for not transforming a tabloid into the voice of media righteousness overnight
― deej loaf (D-40), Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:37 (nine years ago) link
yes
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:39 (nine years ago) link
i'm trying to imagine a gawker writer appreciating this defense-not-a-defense
― da croupier, Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:40 (nine years ago) link
"thank you, d-40, for pointing out how hurtful it is they give this shit to me and not the writers for elite daily"
If you want to transform the media, you're gonna have to have some horny moms. Gotta crack some eggs to make that omelette
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:41 (nine years ago) link
imo ryan otm upthread re gawker’s educated “irony”— implied ironic distance to its own tabloid trashiness— which might (in editor’s mind) allow it to push further, cross lines other (ostensibly “nonironic”) tabloids wouldn’t (e.g. phrase “horny mom” which afaict only used by gawker)
― drash, Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:41 (nine years ago) link
yes 'hurtful' is what my concern is
as opposed to myopic point missing
― deej loaf (D-40), Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:42 (nine years ago) link
xxxp
gawker moralizes all the time dude. that's what makes the article stick out - they call out other sites for similar bullshit on a regular basis, which leaves them open to criticism when they fuck up. they def post trashy articles but they're usually not as tone-deaf and gross as this one.
― JoeStork, Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link
i guess if you buy into denton's 'the only real crime is hypocrisy' thing that's true but idk i think this is as bad when elite daily does it as it is when gawker does it
which is to say the clickbait trash noise that keeps the entire structure running is gross and super fucking annoying, but its still a supreme waste of time to give one of those tossed off article a thorough media critique when it was probably thrown together in less time than it takes to make a ham sandwich
― deej loaf (D-40), Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:48 (nine years ago) link
but its still a supreme waste of time to give one of those tossed off article a thorough media critique when it was probably thrown together in less time than it takes to make a ham sandwich
this is also an ironic thing to write
― da croupier, Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:49 (nine years ago) link
I thought elite daily just did listicles about personality types
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:49 (nine years ago) link
― da croupier, Saturday, April 18, 2015 12:49 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
no it's an argument that you guys are blaming the symptoms not the disease
― deej loaf (D-40), Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:53 (nine years ago) link
Con artists are just symptoms of capitalism if you think about it
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:55 (nine years ago) link
"god it's infuriating to see these moralizers nitpick clickbait, what a waste of time...guess i'll c+p and break down what's wrong every critique until they realize who the real enemy is"
― da croupier, Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:56 (nine years ago) link
uh oh we've reached the self clowning oven point of the argument where ilxors talk about how much time other ilxors have spent on ilx
― deej loaf (D-40), Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:56 (nine years ago) link
oh we passed that
― da croupier, Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:57 (nine years ago) link
sorry for taking your arguments on good faith, didn't realize it was one long rope-a-dope to turn me into a hypocrite, what a fool I've been
― deej loaf (D-40), Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:57 (nine years ago) link
how is it my fault?
― da croupier, Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:58 (nine years ago) link
im not being serious, I've got work to do & ilx is simply enabling procrastination
― deej loaf (D-40), Saturday, 18 April 2015 17:59 (nine years ago) link
now THERE's a post worth c+ping later
― da croupier, Saturday, 18 April 2015 18:00 (nine years ago) link
lets not pretend that isn't 90% of ilx activity
― deej loaf (D-40), Saturday, 18 April 2015 18:01 (nine years ago) link
well at least we'll be able cut down the "everybody shits on d-40 until he admits he's just trolling" threads in length
― da croupier, Saturday, 18 April 2015 18:02 (nine years ago) link
whoa whoa whoa i didn't say i was trolling. just that i wasn't seriously blaming you for keeping me here
― deej loaf (D-40), Saturday, 18 April 2015 18:05 (nine years ago) link
at any rate, this is dumb, so i'm just going to concede (not really) the argument: the first people we should blame for the rise of clickbait are the people who work in media & not the structure itself
― deej loaf (D-40), Saturday, 18 April 2015 18:07 (nine years ago) link
Someone please just take the word 'dudes' out of thread title
― And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 18 April 2015 18:09 (nine years ago) link
Actually that is a fair point, I'll do it when I'm at a computer and not my phone
― a strawman stuffed with their collection of 12 cds (jjjusten), Saturday, 18 April 2015 18:52 (nine years ago) link
My interpretation of this thread is that Gawker is being singled out because people you guys know are working for it and you're hoping to provoke a response from them
not just this, but gawker targets the ilx-type demographic, and seems to share its perspective on a lot of issues. this isn't true of other tabloids that i know of. it's just generally more relevant to this board than elite daily, which i've never knowingly read
― Treeship, Saturday, 18 April 2015 19:38 (nine years ago) link
I see elite daily articles like 20 reasons why you should respect strong women
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 18 April 2015 19:40 (nine years ago) link
to go back to the "why are you singling out Gawker" point, can I direct you to the following thread:
wtf, CNN.com
― DJP, Saturday, 18 April 2015 21:15 (nine years ago) link